God, they're bending themselves backward to avoid admitting that the USSR won the war.
If you remove US lend lease to the USSR, USSR strength in Europe is down by 5-ish %. If you remove the USSR from US strength in Europe, oh dear.
Staline
She transitioned?!?
can you fucking imagine how intolerable right-wingers would be if that were the case
god it would be so funny
Fuck it why not?
tiddies and a moustache is my revisionism
She's a non-binary icon
Iosephine Stalina
Jokes aside, that's the French spelling
I had no idea! Cool.
Changed tide of war
in fucking 1944
Wasn’t the Soviet Union already back in Poland by 1944?
By the end of it, so an argument could be made (if you are a dipshit who thinks frontline move by magic)
But ukraine itself was already liberated by june 1944 (the western half). the eastern part was done in 1943.
I mean, it was in 1944 that for the axis it went from “not going well at all” to “run for your lives”. And I mean, one of the main contributions of the US was A-mostly dealing with Japan, B-supplying half the world (including the soviets). The troops sure were important as hell, but not their main contribution
"I have a degree in history. The Allied [sic] would not have one [sic] without America"
did the Americans greatly contribute etc.
"That's right! Without American intervention countless Nazis would have been held accountable and wouldn't have been placed in government and intelligence positions to thwart the evil Communist menace!"Not just that, without America and Britain where would Hitler have got the idea of racial hierarchy and imperialism? So to say the US wasn’t important in the war is STALINIST propaganda.
When you talk about propaganda, what's most damning is how simple, uncontestable facts -- like the U.S. making up a large minority of troops at Normandy -- get flipped on their head, to where many (most?) Americans think it was "mostly" U.S. troops doing the fighting and dying.
That's what you want to focus on if you're trying to talk to some lib about propaganda, not
shit like when precisely the Allied victory was inevitable.It was mostly American troops doing the dying at least. They had fewer vehicles, got unlucky in terms of the German positions and supposedly refused to take advice from the British and Canadian forces because the commander was a notorious anglophobe.
The US was (and still is) ideologically aligned with the Nazis, and only joined WW2 in the 11th hour because Japan forced them to with the attack on Pearl Harbor. To think that the US "won the war" or should be uniquely congratulated for their contributions to the war is... absurd. If anyone should be awarded that honor, it's the Soviets.
Edit: I really like this place. Yall taught me so much in the replies and it felt welcoming to learn it. This type of discourse seems so rare to find these days. Thank you comrades!
You can go way further than that. The US initially only declared war on Japan and not Germany, only to join the European Theatre later.
There are various interpretations of this, but it seems plain to me that they were hoping the Nazis would beat the Soviets and the US could decide what to do from there, but once the Soviets began to resist more effectively, the US needed to make sure that the Soviets wouldn't get control of the entirety of Germany's manufacturing capacity in the case that they won out*, so they joined in Europe to ensure the liberal coalition would control a portion of Germany.**
*Which most historians agree they would have, even without the US
**Which is indeed what happened
I would argue that Japan didn't even force them to enter the war. America chose to enter the war to beat the soviets to the pacific theatre, so that they could prevent an unconditional surrender to the Soviets.
the US declared an embargo on japan in july 1941, when the red army was fielding losses in the hundreds of thousands in the first month of barbarossa. to make japan attack them and take their colonies. so they'd have an excuse to get to the pacific before the Soviet Union.
I have a degree in history
change the tied of War
they dont have a degree in english
"If America didn't join the war, Allied very likely would not have one."
Yeah, the war was in a sailmate before that. What don't you understand? No one could get boats through thanks to the underwater tubes of semen.
cold war / new cold war mentality breaks westerners' brains so immaculately that the concept of "alliance" is just completely unimaginable to them. the 'Allies' won ww2 all the large and small allied countries contributed meaningfully (besides like the 1945-entrants, lol). everyone trying to make like one country did it alone has to purposefully ignore huge parts of the war for cold-war narrative points
The funny part: American loses were triple Brittish loses. How has no American asked, why were the American War Pig Generals willing to sacrifice 3x the number of their own men?
"British troops" aka 50% Indian troops
There were no soviets to do the heavy lifting in the pacific theatre.
If Americans hadn't firebombed Dresden, Hitler would have won the war.
that feeling when no Vonnegut emote
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was there too.Staline? Is that a neovim plugin?
Edit: It actually is LMAO
I wish.
Edit: My Neovim just got 100x better.
No investigation, no right to speak. Condescension and smug attitudes are not actually a substitute for real knowledge.
Idk shit fuck about WW2 if I'm entirely honest
WW2 was Germany steamrolling western Europe and getting their shit rocked by the Soviets, who industrialized faster than any other society in history before or since. Meanwhile, Japan was attempting to build an empire in Asia and the Pacific and tried to pre-emptively destroy US capacity in the Pacific, forcing them to enter the war and forcing Germany to declare war on the US due to alliance. Japan lost badly in the Pacific and was driven out of continental Asia, and then surrendered shortly before the Soviets could invade the Japanese mainland.
The Soviets were the real heroes of ww2
Neat, thanks for the incredibly brief explanation
Not usually big on WWII, but one thing I really enjoyed was a timelapse map of the fronts on Eurasia and north Africa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CqGeAmVu1I . Just look at that video and tell me the Soviet Union did not do 90% of the leg work on this war, and that the war already clearly being lost by the Germans by the time of the d-day landing.
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thank you bot i shall edit it. fuck reddit
don't we have the dunk tank com for this shit lol
