I wonder what that shark lemmy instance is up to.

I created that meme in 2019.

Hello passing BLAHAJ user. If any of you happen to be passing by you should also know that the death rate for the gulags over 70 years ago was also better than the current death rate in modern US prisons and this can be proven quite easily.

When ignoring the period of 1941-1944 (nazi occupation of the soviet union and ww2) where 70% of all deaths in gulags occurred, the program actually had an incredibly low death rate for its time. In fact, by 1953 the gulag system had a LOWER death rate than current modern day US prisons have. Fact.

According to this study the gulag deaths were approximately 830,000 from 1934 to 1953. As I said above however, it is important to know that 70% of all these deaths occurred between 1941 and 1944 (included) so they can be attributed to difficulties from the War Period and nazi occupation. Also, it's important to note that antibiotics didn't become available until after WW2, this contributes significantly to earlier higher death figures.

To put things into perspective. Using the same source as above for the USSR, and this report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics we can say that Mortality in the gulag in 1953 (236 deaths per 100,000 prisoners) was lower than mortality in US prisons today, both in state prisons (303 deaths per 100,000 prisoners) and federal prisons (252 deaths per 100,000 prisoners).

Feel free to double check these numbers(you should check anyone's numbers always). I know it's surprising to hear that as far back as 1953 they were better, but it is absolutely 100% correct.

This data also doesn't include the covid years, which would make this data considerably worse for the US.

The visceral emotional reaction you have to "tankies" is a product of propaganda, you should be having a far greater emotional reaction to anything to do with the US, particularly because it actually exists whereas the USSR does not.

Remember, you are not immune to propaganda.

I kicked all the leftists out of my community and now I can't understand why it's full of reactionaries! Oh well let's try kicking even more leftists out surely this time it will work

nothing is funnier to me than a liberal who's gotten ahold of the word "Reactionary" and thinks it means "in reaction to a thing"

"Don’t get me wrong, despite being libertarian Marxist. I’m wildly against Lenin, Stalin, Mao, hell Engles for that matter etc."

Me when I’m talking about Stalin on hexbear: “Stalin did a lot of good but I really think it’s important to balance that against the cadres like Bukharin who were unjustly killed in the purges or how industrialization could have been achieved in less brutal ways. And don’t get me started on how some of the economic decision making under Stalin lead to a lot of problems with economic planning later on down the line!”

Me when literally anyone else tries to shit on Stalin:

Edit: in that thread I noticed how those libs just use “Stalin” and “USSR” interchangeably. The propaganda works so damn well. The US was able to convince people that the extraordinary circumstances the USSR faced under Stalin and during and immediately after WW2 (when conditions in the gulags were admittedly horrific but so were the conditions for most Soviet citizens during the war, especially for the 20-25% of the population that lost their lives thanks to the fucking Nazis) was the norm from 1917 to 1991. Even the most ardently anti-Stalinist bourgeois historian would acknowledge Corn Man ended the gulag system and for decades the prison system was basically fine and certainly better than what we have in the US today. But most libs think the worst aspects of Stalinism remained all the way through Gorby, because they have brains as smooth as silk and no lib actually bothers to study history.

I hate the US as much as the next person but the meme itself is basically whataboutism.

How the fuck is this whataboutism?

The whataboutism is 75% of the thread going out to defend the US prison system by saying that a wartime prison before the age of antibiotics was slightly worse than current US prisons. So little discussion of the topic at hand.

Edit: oh fuck, found the millions of prisoners in Xinjang part of the thread.

ive yet to see anything other than reactionary posting from hb

It's over folks, they got us.

love that the fediverse has organically grown Red Scare witch hunts. None of that phony Fed GMO astroturf shit. Just drop some "leftist" redditors into the dirt and BAM a whole field of "say Stalin ate babies or else ur a tankie and I'll downvote you"

Weird how your anti communist community attracts bigoted people.

i apologize for unintentionally twinging that nerve, but you need stop calling each other (and me) slurs

lemmy.slurs.zone, top inclusive queer space.

The Soviet Union under Stalin is objectively better than the United States of America of today.

Actually since you blahaj zone idiots are simultaneously obsessed and terrified by our website and since youre 100% going to stalk this thread out of boredom because your shitty reddit clone is a ghost town on a good day, please go touch some grass, or, alternatively, actually self crit and try to get your tiny mind to understand why your anti communist community attracts bigots like moths to a swatsika shaped lamp. Alright im done taking a shit so ill log out, something you insufferably stupid libs should consider doing more often.

There's a bunch of guys who are literally throwing shit at my house

It would be authoritarian to make them stop, so I opted to call the police on the people who offered to help instead

Jesus Christ I wonder how these people even attempt to explain a coherent set of beliefs about the world

calling me and each other slurs….

so, actual slurs, or is this just some “tankie is a slur” type shit?

I dont go anywhere on lemmy except this den of iniquity, so i have no idea wtf is going on.

Oh you're anti-authoritarian? How cute, yes, I'm sure the "democratic" values that are routinely suppressed by eg MASS INCARCERATION will be respected if there was ever an actual chance of something substantive happening via ballots. Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing, Palantir, Disney, Comcast shareholders, 4mil fasc freaks in the small business class, and the Pentagon will just... Step aside...

I love the my (trans) community, but they are such annoying propagandized liberals larping as leftists sometimes. I really wish better for them and I can only hope wake up from the nightmare that is the United States.

I laughed so hard at one of the comments on that thread lmao. Really needed this, thanks comrade o7. 196 libs are something else, it always amazes me.

That's nice, but do you commend Hamas?

Oh my god that's the instance that prompted me to post that tankie question the other day.... So many things make sense now. I love being a newbie.

These people are insufferably stupid.