TIL DuoLingo offers language courses for Klingon and High Valyrian

"Courses" is a strong word for what Duolingo offers. It just shows you flashcards, but never explains grammar/syntax rules. Lingodeer is far superior.
- Perdonally I've heard a ton of good things about Language Transfer despite not using it myself
  
  Thanks for the recommendation! Difficult to find genuine and good language apps these days that don't cost to much money and or are riddled with ads and intrusive tracking.
  
  Thank you for sharing this it looks great. They’re iOS app requires minimal permissions too which seems to be rare for language apps
  
  Seems like it's just audio files. I'll check it out tonight
- Duolingo does have that function. It's much more obvious on desktop web, but in the phone app, you tap the notebook icons to the right of the headings. I mean, they're not necessarily excellent explanations, but they're there.
  
  They removed that feature, at least for Finnish.
- The old tree had grammar bits (for some languages only in the browser) but the new one is just bad
- The problem with all these alternatives is that the language selection is extremely limited. You want to learn English, French, German, or Spanish? Great, there are a million options for you! But if you go a bit more niche like Finnish or Irish, your options are much more limited. Of course there are ways to learn those languages - and much better ways than Duolingo. But Duolingo's strength is offering a bunch of them, for free, in one place.
  Note that I'm not trying to defend Duolingo, but rather deploring the lack of alternatives.
- Lingodeer is a technical mess with popups, banners and lock or crown icons everywhere. There are situations where it just won't let you continue to the next lesson and the flow inside the exercises is very janky. Turning off the animations helps a lot but it's nowhere near the ease of use of Duolingo.
- Just gonna hijack this and recommend https://www.renshuu.org/ for everybody trying to learn Japanese.
  It's probably the best compaion-app I have found for learning the language.
- I use Duolingo (and actually pay for it) and I agree 100% with this. The app is primarily about keeping you engaged and on the app. The method is by attempting to teach you a language.

Fascinating that Duolingo tries to teach Navajo. The language is incredibly tonal and with sounds not native to most languages. I imagine it's incredibly difficult to teach through an online service
- Idk how duolinguo works (at all), but if the app can play the sounds for you and judge on your pronunciation, that would be quite enough to do the job. If it can handle mandarin (idk if it can) than any tonal based language is fair game.
  I would think any decent speech to text could do a decent job determining pronunciation, if there isn’t a dedicated thing for that.. either it registers or it gets garble and you try again.

I almost found a way to get university credit for learning Klingon. My downfall was that the Klingon Language Institute was not an "accredited" learning institution. I wonder if that's changed yet…
- Try the Khan Academy next time.
  
  KHAAAAAN!
- Duolingo probably has an accreditation programme by now, considering most high schools use it.

High Valerian also doesn't have all the ingredients to become an actual language. All I did was translate words in sentences into the language for the show, but Klingon, it is an actual language and has been developed enough that you can call it a language
- Yeah, Klingon was deliberately designed to have object-verb-subject word order (among other unusual features) just to make it more alien.

But still no European Portuguese 😠
- Prolly more people who want to learn elvish than European Portuguese. Oh, leaderboards
- Last time I looked it still did a weird mix of American and European Spanish, too
  
  It had me pick Latin American or Castilian Spanish when I started using Duolingo, I couldn’t tell you exactly how accurate it was though.
- Wtf is European Portuguese, Portugal is in Europe.
  
  Wtf is British English, England is in Britain.
  
  There's brazilian Portuguese

Also courses for the language of the imaginary land of Finland.
- I mean come on they call themselves Finnish.
  Finnish, finish, finish line. It’s like they think we’re all stupid.
- No, it's the course, OP has already finished

I'm waiting for them to add Icelandic

Language learning apps work only to give you an overview over a language, to look if a language is worth learning. You really wanna learn? Search for someone who's mother tongue it is in your vicinity and contact him. You'll be surprised, how much fun that'll be, your friendly Klingon in the neighborhood, crashing your door in at 3 a.m., hellish drunk, just to show you his new Gagh recipe, or you'll find yourself as a slave in the fictional world of an obese old creep. Learning new languages is awesome, right?

i wish they would spend more time fixing vietnamese instead of shit like this
- Just get a cracked version of lingodeer
  
  Lingodeer premium for life was 75% off this week. They provide me a lot of value so I don't mind paying for it.

Anyone know a good place to learn Farsi (Persian). Duolingo doesn't have it yet, if ever
- It's a real shame duolingo doesn't have Farsi (or none of the other apps I'm routinely using, for that matter). Let's hope it becomes a thing sooner than later
- I used Mondly fully free a few years ago. It was good. I don't know how it is now.
  I also used Anki flashcards.

Still more native speakers than Navajo.
- That's what multiple genocides get you. A language rated as Vulnerable in UNESCO.
  Still, there are about 170,000 people who speak Navajo, with about 8000 who only speak Navajo.
  
  And there are only 2000 fluent speakers of Hawaiian, let's go colonialism!
  
  US: kills all the Navajo speakers
  Also US: "Wow, there are so few Navajo speakers! We should use it as a secret military code!"
  
  Also doesn't help that Navajo is an INCREDIBLY divergent language compared to basically everything else, even other languages native to North America save those of related languages.
  It's probably as close to a natlang ithkuil as linguistic science may have ever discovered, so acquiring it non-natively is A TON of work.
  Also I may be confusing it with another indigenous language but IIRC there are some Navajo nation communities in which teaching the language to outsiders is seen as a GRAVE offense.
  You can guess that the course on Duolingo isn't exactly regarded as on par with their French and Spanish courses. That and their attempt at Hawaiian and the ensuant backlash over how bad both were are partially responsible for why Duolingo has yet to expand into a significant number of new languages.

Does anyone happen to know of an app or site that is good for learning Tagalog?
- The app Tandem (Language Exchange) has Tagalog as an option! It's a pretty cool app. It connects you to native speakers so that they can have conversations with you and help you learn your chosen language.
  
  Thanks. I will check it out.
- Seconding

I'm still hoping for a course in Mando'a.
- I'm unsure if there's enough words for it to count as a full spoken language yet.
  
  That's too bad. From some.of.the books it seemed to be pretty close.

Can I put it on my resume?
- I saw a resume with just 'Military Spouse: 27 Years' on it.
  You can put whatever you want.

- Hah... You're naive esse.... U think the Innyalowda give a fuck about the Beltalowda?

Let me know when they get Phyrexian

But does it do Mando'A?

I can't find Doolish anywhere on the list though.
Oh wait, that language doesn't exist.

Many asteroids and Kuiper Belt objects discovered by the Keck telescope, on the big island, have been given Hawaiian names, adding to the very few words I knew before, like aloha, mahalo, pahoa'hoa and a'a, the last two being types of lava, either runny or crumbly.
- ‘Okina only precede vowels and I think you're confused about pahoahoa, it's pahoehoe. Good job on a‘a, though!