US vetoes UN resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire
US vetoes UN resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire
The vote came a day after the U.S. Secretary of State issued his strongest criticism of Israel since the war started.
The U.S. vetoed a UN Security Council resolution Friday calling for a ceasefire to the fighting in Gaza.
The U.S. and Israel have opposed calls for a ceasefire, saying it would strengthen Hamas.
The vote was delayed for several hours over worries the U.S. would veto it. Diplomats from several Arab nations met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to try to convince the U.S. to abstain from voting.
As a permanent member of the council, the U.S. has veto power, and had signaled it planned to block the resolution. The U.K. abstained from the vote, while the 13 other members of the council voted for it.
15 countries voting, they lost 13-1 (UK abstained), literally only the US voted against the resolution and yet they can veto it.
It is clearly US and UK vs Gaza children.
"Oh hamas did this and that so lets kill them all, stop water food and aid and move 2 million around" is not justified ...
It is clearly US and UK
The UK abstained, that is explicitly not supporting the US. It's not objecting either, but it's not supporting.
What I find interesting is that the PM Rishi Sunak talks in full support of Israel in national politics, yet on the international stage the stance is now slightly more neutral.
Does a "no" vote by the US automatically veto it? Or did they have to take an additional action? If the vote alone didn't veto it, that's the perfect place to hedge your bets. Vote no, then don't veto it. You can claim both sides then to appease everyone.
No by the US (or China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom) means veto.
Where are the vote results
Valid question, I got it from another article: https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-politics/ap-un-chief-and-many-nations-demand-immediate-humanitarian-cease-fire-in-gaza-but-us-remains-opposed/
US refuses to block Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
US actively supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
I don't expect Joe Biden to act against his interests, but I also can't believe he thinks this is in his interest! Are there that many people in America who think this is the right thing to do? People danced when Henry Kissinger died, who fails to see the legacy of this?
He's banking on "trump bad, I good". So many idiots are falling for this and will chase you out of the room with their pitchforks if you said you won't vote for genocide Biden.
Oh, I think he can bank on that. What I see is people looking to third parties. I just don't think anything good will come of that.
Personally, I can't honestly threaten to vote against him, but I do understand other people feeling differently, and I definitely wish he'd make it less gross for me.
Middle America. Specifically people in purple states. Biden is coming into an election that’s sounding like it’s going to be won by 5 votes or lost by a million. He’s trying to win support in swing states. Unfortunately those swing state voters tend to be union guys, who are more conservative. They like a blue collar guy, but they want him to have hardline stances on things. We’re hearing conflicting things from this administration for a reason. A veto on the UN makes headlines and sounds like the US is being supportive, but we’re also hearing about back room conversations where the administration is voicing their disapproval of the bombing and threatening to withhold funding. I imagine if this was before the war in Ukraine we would see a different reaction by the Biden Administration. Plus Israel gives us a launch point into middle eastern operations.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign? It’s not in their interest. The UAW is even calling for a ceasefire.
Also, the Biden administration can claim all day that they are in back room negotiations with Israel. However, those claims ring hollow when they’re simultaneously trying to pass bills in congress that unconditionally give Israel military aid. People see that and naturally lose faith in anything the administration says.
Not only that but Israel still provides a lot of spy tech. Local US law enforcement have been using Israeli tools to get into peoples' phone records, or even the phones themselves.
These are times when I'm ashamed to be an American.
I'm 70 years old. Of course it's not the first time. Cute meme though.
Nowadays I wonder if you guys have any times you aren't.
We always seem to be pro genocide
Genocide Joe is insatiable.
Trump would be 10x worse, or is that what you had in mind?
Ok, but Joe Biden didn't take out MBS, shakes hands with Dictator Xi, won't actually call for sanctions on countries with dictators and now supports a genocide against Palestinians. How is he any better?
Ah yes, I am sure Trump wouldn’t do the same thing as well 🙄
The US will always back Israel because the US sees military strategic value against the Middle East with Israel, namely Iran. It also helps that Israel exports a lot of medical equipment to the US as well, so financially we have a good relationship with them there as well.
"trump worse" doesn't mean that this isn't bad. The bar is so fucking low at this point, and even then Dems can't clear it.
The US will always support genocidal maniacs is not a valid argument, and neither is that Trump is as bad.
I genuinely can't understand why you are defending a genocide. This is bad for the US's international standing. It hurts the US-led coalition against Russia. Even if you don't care or humanize Palestinians, you should at least pretend to care about long term US interests at home and abroad.
"Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine" https://archive.ph/ctAhD
“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South . [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.
“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”
I love how libs immediately bleat about Trump when presented with the fact that it's their chosen savior doing a genocide. These people have no actual morals.
Trump years aside, I've rarely been so ashamed of my country. And I'm no spring chicken.
No one should have veto power, it makes any organization extremely undemocratic. And given the American arsenal, it's already difficult to be democratic.
very good harm reduction from the genocide joe junta
Your avatar is from the national emblem of East Germany, right?
Fun fact: publicly, the East German government opposed Apartheid. We now know that behind the scenes IMES, run by the East German deputy foreign minister and Stasi employees, sold dozens of shipments of weapons to Apartheid South Africa.
Source: Van Vuuren, H. (2018). Apartheid guns and money: A Tale of Profit. Weidenfeld & Nicolson.
Nice fairy tale, but fortunately history isn't swayed by anti-communist vermin making up myths. West Germany and Apartheid South Africa had nuclear cooperation while Democratic Germany armed and trained the ANC.
Thats not fun at all!
Every civilian death in Gaza going forward is a direct consequence of US actions. US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
So you're not saying they're directly responsible for genocide, merely for facilitating it.
UN is the change.org of the real world. The idea is great but it only works on extremely rare cases. I know its purpose is to stop next world war but it should stop trying to seem like a platform for discussion as there is no discussion to be had when you give someone power to veto any resolution.
The UN with their permanent members are a disgrace. All they do is uphold imperialism and say please don't do that.
I think it is right that such a bill be vetoed, that a good man's strategy can reduce human casualties in the short term, but that Hamas's harm will be greater in the long term, so the strategy of a tooth for an eye is right. But the focus should be on how to eliminate Hamas while protecting as many civilians as possible, rather than quelling on Hamas。
I think it's right that this kind of motion should be voted down, the good guy tactic will reduce population casualties in the short term, but in the long term, Hamas will do more harm, so it's right to have an eye for an eye tactic. But the focus should be on how to eliminate Hamas while protecting as many civilians as possible, rather than a truce to give Hamas a break.
I like how casually you talk about a few tens of thousands of people being murdered and millions more made homeless. As long as we get the one guy, infinite murder is justified!
The focus isn't on that though, and while you and The Leader of the Free World™ prevaricate and wish for a perfect solution, children are being slaughtered in their thousands. The focus, in my opinion, should be on stopping that slaughter immediately. You know, with a ceasefire or something.
Having grown up in the midst of one of the most authoritarian depressions of the planet, I know that a ceasefire will not make the conflict go away at all, it will only erupt even more at some point in the future. Only a bottom-up awakening of the population to a general sense of modern citizenship can change this, and it will take a generation or two to transform it. We have had more than sixteen wars in the history of this country that have resulted in more than 50 percent of the population being decimated. Politicians often use the past history of invasions and other means to brainwash people and promote hate education, but as a modern person in a modern society, I know that history is just a lie of the victor, so the way to judge the problem should not be the first preconceived notion of right and wrong with the standpoint of the first, this kind of judgment has too much one-sided. No one wants war, famine and death on earth, but that is human nature.
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Hamas is fighting back against a genocidal occupation. They haven't killed a single civilian because active participants in that genocidal occupation are not civilians. You and anyone who supports that genocidal occupation and the antisemitic monsters behind it are a blight on the world. Remove yourself as painfully as possible.
The Palestinians of today are the Arabs of the Palestinian areas, this is a basic fact that you need to get right, and when you get right this you know that your so-called genocidal occupation is a false proposition
spoiler
I think it's right that this kind of motion should be voted down, the good guy tactic will reduce population casualties in the short term, but in the long term, uMkontho we Sizwe will do more harm, so it's right to have an eye for an eye tactic. But the focus should be on how to eliminate uMkontho we Sizwe while protecting as many civilians as possible, rather than a truce to give uMkontho we Sizwe a break.
-P. W. Botha, 1989 (Tagged the quote as spoiler as the original got
lmao deserved btw)
I also find it sad that the same Security Council didn't condemn the Oct. 7 raid. In all these diplomatic games, it appears civilians don't weight much, Palestinians or Israelis.
Resistance to occupation is legal and moral. Israelis are the aggressors.
Of course not. The occupied have a legal right to struggle against their occupiers “by all available means, including armed struggle”.
So that's why all the IDF stans are so anti un
No room for that on lemmy apparently. The majority here seems to only think Israel is evil and Hamas has done no wrong
Don't twist words to justify genocide and killing and crippling children. You're not killing Hamas. By IDF skewed and exaggerated numbers last week, they admit they "only killed 10000 civilians" and the rest was Hamas. The actual number and harm is more horrific and is terrorism 10 folds worse than what Hamas did on Oct-7 which condem yourself, but cheerish the acts that are 10 times worse?
Again, airstikes on refugee camps, schools, hospitals, places of worships, don't kill Hamas. The IDF are the most coward military who kill children with airstrikes instead of moving on the ground to reduce civilian causalities.
Go back to reddit if you want to support apartheid.
