2y ago

Lemmy.world Rammy Statement

We recently received a message from a concerned Rammy user regarding their instance not having an active admin team.

We have made attempts to contact the Rammy admins, which other instance admins have tried as well, to determine their current status. Due to their admins being absent and their unmoderated content growing in numbers, we will defederate from Rammy. If and when this situation changes, we will be happy to reevaluate our approach. It should be noted that any instances that have abandoned admin teams will be defederated.

107 comments

how does that work - I mean, who's paying the bills for the instance if it's unmoderated? weird
- What's that? It's on somebody's property. Someone is paying for power, connectivity, and air conditioning.
  
  That didn't answer the question at all lol
  
  I checked the IP and it's hosted on contabo.com
- Maybe it's not actually abandoned. Just providing plausible deniability that way.
  
  It's running an older version of Lemmy, so it's not being updated.
- It's not necessarily super expensive for someone who wants to host an instance, whether it's at home or via server providers. Hosting a GOOD and high-traffic instance might cost more but still any nerd with disposable income can do it if they want.
that instance is full to the brim of crazies who have lost all grip on reality. they feel nothing but hate
- Lemmys that have been touched by the Warp and fallen into Chaos.
It got really bad just over the past two days. I'm not sure if it's a raid from some right wing troll farm, or what it is. Defederation makes things easy though
- Apparently it came from Exploding Heads, an instance that Lemmy.world already defederated from.
  
  Yeah I'm seeing those shitters in my feed, guess my instance is federated with them still
- Yeah but defed has an issue where it might just lead to bigger echo chambers for the users.
  Don't like this view, defed the instance and so and so forth. I think defed should only be used for last resort action like in this case an awful lot of spam. Just because their political views are left, right or center shouldn't be used as reason for defed.
  
  What about how these assholes were harassing LGBTQ+ users with hate? Defederation was called for and urgently needed. That behavior is indefensible and breaks site rules.
  
  Not really an issue. If you want to see this content from defederated instances that everyone else finds obnoxious or disruptive, then you can either browse from an instance that doesn’t defederate that content, or spin up your own personal instance to browse from. It’s easy to move to a different instance. Your choice.
- What makes it possible right wing and not just a troll farm? Sincerely curious why make the divide and note.
  EDIT: I checked it out, I see the issue with Rammy. And yes, there is a lot of spam/hate fest, it's not that all right wings are extremist just as much as "left wing" isn't all extremist. We're all people in the end and imo we shouldn't let it divide everything further by labels and stereotyping.
  
  It's the same people from exploding heads that are in these threads. They circumvent the defederation by taking over another instance.
  
  idk at this point I don't want to associate with some people. Being divided sucks but being united might actually be worse.
  
  Nah, you’re not gonna muddy these waters, the right by far outweighs in terms of extremists.
  They’re literally conservative religious people. It isn’t rocket science just look at the Middle East
  
  I didn't look to much into it. I don't want to see that sort of content.
  Though not many people the right are trolls, the trolls are very loud. And on Rammy.
  
  Nah, call the alt-right extremists out for what they are. Tankies too.
  If you're a reasonable conservative, you shouldn't feel called out by condemnation of the extremists.
Thank you for the update, seems like a reasonable approach
Unfortunate but very much necessary to stop the spread of their hatred. This is why it's important to have a team of admins, so that it's less likely that the person running the server doesn't just disappear one day and they can continue maintaining it even if the main person isn't there. Maybe if you're an individual instance you can't afford to hire a team of people, but you could get a group of friends together and have all of you work together to run it, think of it like a group passion project it's important to make sure that something like this doesn't end up abandoned otherwise it can cause problems for others if people start abusing it.
I know a lot of people are in doubt about how bad it is, but I went there and I looked at it and it's honestly terrible worse than the Donald on Reddit (if anyone can remember that) we don't want to rehost that kind of stuff on this server, we don't want to be associated with those kinds of people, it's not worth it. They can still have their free speech on their platform, just not on our server and we don't have to put up with it.
- Yes they can keep their hate on their own instances but they are not welcome in our house. Keep reporting these extremists wether they are right of left wing - because it's a never-ending fight.
It’s interesting that they have their own instance, but can’t stand the fact that they got defederated, and have to keep finding ways to get that sweet attention they crave.
- That's why it is important that everyone keeps reporting these things.
Question here. If a user suscribed to world wants to keep seing content from that instance, cant he just suscribe to some subs over there? I'm still trying to figure that part out. I'm on ml but can see some content from world.
- No, you will not see content from Rammy on LW. If you want to interact with both you'll need to have an account on an instance that federates both. I'm sure there are some out there, and if not starting your own is an option.
  
  And this, I feel, is one of the biggest issues with Lemmy...and unfortunately one that I could easily see being its Achilles Heel and ultimate undoing as a viable, sustainable model in the long term.
- As a user of lemmy.ml you don't have to worry about what Lemmy.world defederates from. You'll still see Lemmy.World content and lemmy.ml will pull directly from other instances on its own
  
  That's not what they asked though.
  The question wasn't that self-centered, it was asking if a user from an instance that defederated from another instance could still access content from the defederated instance through a direct manual subscription.
Fair enough!
Never even heard of it, but good looking out!
Good
No, no, no. Clearly Rammy needs the enlightened guidance of Dot World. We must anschluss Rammy into the Greater Dot World.
So much drama I see on lemmy in one month than reddit in 10 years.
Time for me to leave Lemmy.world for good.
Neither the person who contacted you was a real user of that instance, nor their "concern" was legitimate.
Congrats. You got successfully manipulated. And opened yourself up for further future manipulations.
- what are you talking about? 2 seconds on that instance and youll see hate speech and bigotry. this wasnt even mentioned in this post, only that they are defederating due to a lack of an admin team. personally, i would agree to defederating for either of these reasons. in this case we have both. if you dont see a problem with that instance as it is currently, you are part of the problem and should leave too.
  
  The instance in question was practically dead before this stupid thread gave it attention.
  I'll bet you money that concerned user didn't exist 3 day ago.
  Instance admins should learn how to be smarter, and not give manipulators small wins, alas, they will come back for bigger ones.

107 comments