Will Microsoft drop the TPM requirement for Win 11 once Win 12 rolls around?

After using Windows for 30+ years now (since Windows 1), this is one of the straws finally pushing me into Linux.

I'm running 10, but without a TPM, can't go to 11. So sad. Not.

Honestly 7 was the last decent OS they made. In my opinion the good OS's were NT4 (game changer), 2000, XP, 7. They can keep the rest.

Microsoft doesn't care about you upgrading your personal computer. they care about business licenses. Enterprise pays the bills, and enterprise computers have all had TPM for ages. I don't see any reason for them to make a change. consumers buying a new os for an existing computer is a drop in the bucket

Why? What benefit would Microsoft have in changing the requirements for Windows 11 when Windows 12 will more than likely be the OS they focus most of their resources on?

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The way Microsoft phrases it, it's way more ubiquitous than you make it out:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/what-is-tpm-705f241d-025d-4470-80c5-4feeb24fa1ee

"TPM has been around for over 20 years, and has been part of PCs since around 2005. In 2016 TPM version 2.0 - the current version as of this writing - became standard in new PCs.

The odds are that your PC does already have TPM, and if it's less than 5 years old you should have TPM 2.0. 

To find out if your Windows 10 PC already has it go to Start > Settings > Update and Security > Windows Security > Device Security. If you have it, you'll see a Security processor section on the screen."

So when they say:

"Important: Windows 11 requires TPM version 2.0."

They're requiring a standard established 7 years ago. Windows 11 launched in 2021, why WOULDN'T it require something from 2016?

You really want to run an OS from 2021 on hardware older than 2016? That's not going to be a good idea, TPM or not.

No chance.

Is anyone going to bring up the fact they told everyone 10 was the last version of windows. Then they launched 11 and are now talking about 12.

I know companies lie all the time, but we can at least call them out on it

No chance.

You concentrate on the TPM but ignore the CPU requirements...? If you have a CPU that is up to spec, you have a TPM - they're built in the CPU. Most people just need to turn it on in the BIOS (or update their BIOS as motherboard manufacturers have turned on the TPM as "Windows 11 support")

The truth of it is, every "jump" OS, i.e. 95, XP, 7, 10 has run really poorly on >5 year old chips at the time of launching. And MS got panned at "how slow" is was. But it was also the norm to update your PC more often. Now speed increases have slowed and Moore's Law has ended, it's about security and performance hit of said security. The truth is, the kernel hardening and malware protection and encryption built into 11 to make it far less likely to get infected than 10 and 7 means it needs the hardware support to do it. Without it, it runs far slower or is less secure. Neither anyone wants.

When 10 support ends in 2 years time, the lowest supported processor for 11 will be nearly 9 years old...

https://lemmy.world/post/9205583

Here's why it's against Microsoft interest to drop TPM requirement. They will paywall updates for Windows 10. So, pay for software updates or pay for hardware updates.

Because there is no possible alternative /S

Ha ha, no.

Chances are by Windows 12 they'll start implementing a check with their vendors to verify you're running windows and deny you any alternatives.

Windows 13 will melt your PC if you type the word Linux.

And Windows 14 will take you out to the woods and execute you if you even so much as think about a penguin.

What incentive would they have? What competition is there?

Imho making the OS(es) TPM only cannot be good for their business

It is good for their business.

There are very few people who turn away from M$ because they disagree with the TPM requirement.

There are some more people who whine and complain about the TPM requirement. Note the subtle difference :-) Experience has shown that most of these people have no real problem. They find a way, for example buy new hardware. It was a success for M$ if you buy new hardware.

In the long run, M$ wants to make more use of your TPM. Therefore I do not think that they see any reason to drop it.

Absolutely not. None of the arguments you said are even relevant for their business. If it was true they would do their best to reduce the requirements creep version to version.

Of course you can use Linux, but you made clear that you're uninformed about that in another post.

I've been running 11 on my 10 y/o PC without TPM 2 for a while and it's been working with zero issues. It's all just a money grabbing scheme to get people to upgrade their hardware.

Rufus or registry editing during installation can both dodge the requirement if you need it.

Even worse, Windows 12 is an AI OS. Think just like in the movie HER.

https://www.techspot.com/news/101032-windows-12-expected-usher-new-era-ai-pcs.html

Still running 10. I actually turned off TPM in bios so it stops pestering me to upgrade

TPM == double plus good/secure, right?