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Antisemitic incidents in Germany rose by 320% after Hamas attacked Israel, a monitoring group says

A group tracking antisemitism in Germany said Tuesday that it documented a drastic increase of antisemitic incidents in the country in the month after Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7.

The RIAS group said it recorded 994 incidents, which is an average of 29 incidents per day and an increase of 320% compared to the same time period in 2022. The group looked at the time period from Oct. 7 to Nov. 9.

Among the 994 antisemitic incidents, there were three cases of extreme violence, 29 attacks, targeted damage to 72 properties, 32 threats, four mass mailings and 854 cases of offensive behavior.

Many Jews in Germany experienced antisemitic incidents in their everyday lives and even those who weren’t exposed to any antisemitic incidents reported feelings of insecurity and fear, said RIAS, which is an abbreviation in German for the Department for Research and Information on Antisemitism.

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Im just way more skeptical everytime i see the word "antisemitic" with how much its being used for criticism of Israel or support of palestinians.
- Jewish people are attacked on the streets, synagogues are being attacked and smeared with swastikas etc.
  You can condemn that and still think Israel is making a mistake in Gaza.
  
  This is absolutely true. Antisemitism is on the rise in many places. At the same time some organizations (like the ADL) mark everything anti zionist as antisemitist. This muddies the water and takes away from the actual stuff some people have to go through with antisemitism. Their stories deserve to be heard and not getting drowned out by claims that have nothing to do with antisemitism.
  I don’t think the OP you’re replying to means to say that antisemitism isn’t on the rise, it’s just hard to know how much is actual antisemitism and how much is marked as antisemitism when it’s just criticism of Zionism and/or the state of Israel.
  
  u sound reasonable enough, may I ask what in your honest opinion Israel should do instesd in gaza?
- No ones saying theres no genuine antisemitism going on. Even in the 854 incidents of "offensive behavior" im sure is plenty of nazi ideology eugenics wanting jews killed. But im skeptical of the totality of this number being antisemitism.
  
  That's definitely a genuine piece of antisemitism and people doing shit like that need to be arrested pronto... but I'm still uncertain like the OP. Though maybe the uncertainty is just being jaded by American organizations like the AJC.
- Among the 994 antisemitic incidents, there were three cases of extreme violence, 29 attacks, targeted damage to 72 properties, 32 threats, four mass mailings and 854 cases of offensive behavior.
  So at least 10% of this number are actual violence.
  
  Gonna need a firm definition of "offensive behavior" to call this one though. The word "offensive" is already overloaded with all sorts of meaning.
  
  Wtf Germany, no, we got America to worry about rn
- Someone will say something similar any time antisemitism is discussed in any context. Whatever your intention, it has the effect of minimizing and normalizing antisemitism. The article is clear that only a fifth of incidents are even tangentially related to Israel at all. Attacking or threatening German Jews or destroying their property isn't criticism of Israel. Marking Jewish homes with a Star of David or firebombing synagogues isn't supporting Palestinians.
  'Criticism of Israel' shouldn't mean giving cover to Nazis.
  
  While I agree that’s true, it’s also the case that Israel has both conflated itself with Jewish people globally to claim criticism of itself as antisemitism, as well as committed actual atrocities against non-Israeli Jewish people as a means of propaganda to promote the idea that nowhere is safe for Jewish people except Israel. This muddies the water and makes it difficult to accurately discuss and criticize actual antisemitism, to the benefit of Israel and to the detriment of Jewish people.
  
  And whenever groups criticize israel or support palestinians someone will call it anti-semitism, minimizing and normalizing the genocide of palestinians.
- Propaganda is a double edged sword.
- Right, what Susan Serandon said in a less than ideal way is equated with firebombing.
- there is a difference between criticizing Israel and refusing to accept their right to exist
- Me too. Having a blue octopus cuddly toy is antisemitic according to the crazies.
extremists groups are on the rise in general since they see they are being accepted more these days.
only needs to look at lemmy to understand why they feel so comfortable coming out now more than ever.
- Or Reddit. But don't look at Reddit lol.
What is going on with these posts? Why are all the comments deleted?
So, it says there are 17 comments, but I only see 5?
Albatross told me to go fuck myself. That user should definitely be banned. Where are all the other comments?
- Uncivil comments are removed. Continued uncivil behavior can lead to a ban. Probably the case here.
  
  I didn't see anything uncivil. Certainly not pro-Isreal, but not uncivil.
  Edit: Except for a post from the albatross. They seem unhinged.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
There was also a rise in antisemitic and anti-Israeli propaganda at universities in Germany, with a total of 37 incidents logged by RIAS.
The monitoring group said that during the time period analyzed, about one in five incidents, or 21%, was attributed to anti-Israeli activism.
While Germany’s government has been one of Israel’s staunchest supporters following the Oct. 7 Hamas attack and the subsequent Gaza war, there were outbreaks of violence at several street protests, in Berlin especially.
Jews in the German capital reported antisemitic hostility in grocery stores, on public transportation or from neighbors, and deplored that uninvolved bystanders often looked the other way instead of showing support.
“Berliners are called upon not to leave those affected by antisemitism alone, especially in everyday situations,” said Ruth Hatlapa from RIAS.
“Jews are hiding signs and symbols: a cap over the kippah, the Star of David pendant under the scarf, they no longer speak Hebrew on the street,” the report notes.
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This surprises exactly nobody. The goverments of the last decades created a breeding ground for right wing ideologies.
- These are the "right by accident" people that make it so hard to have meaningful discussions.
  You're absolutely correct and we shouldn't ignore genuine acts of antisemitism just because Israel's government is doing terrible things.
  
  That's not what they're saying. These counts usually consider anti-Zionism the same as anti-Semitism, so the question becomes: How much of that 320% is actual anti-Semitism vs anti-Zionism. I mean, it says 854 case of offensive behavior. How many of those were "Palestine should be free" or "fuck Zionism"?
  Not saying actual anti-Semitism didn't increase; I know it did.
- Yeah, similarly I saw the ADL had said that in the US antisemitism on X (Twitter) has risen by 900%. While it is of course true that antisemitism and Islamophobia are on the rise, the stuff the ADL labels as antisemitism is insane. A jew not being (fully) Zionist? Antisemitist. So yeah, I want to believe those numbers but their own insanity makes me doubt them.
Aw man, that's nearly 420%! Disappointed.

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