Toyota claims battery with range of 745 miles, charges in 10 minutes

I’d love it to be true, but I will believe it when it hits the market

Toyota do have a decade or so unbroken history of promising anything that will slow BEV adoption and then delivering a turd sandwich. Here's hoping it's different this time.
- I really would love it to be true. My parents are diehard Toyota people. They’d love to get an EV as their next car, but due to boomer brand loyalty, they next car must be a Toyota, and we all know how much the busy forks sucks, so here’s hoping they develop a usable EV next.
Probably 6 batteries that require 12 chargers
- Hey I mean credit where credit’s due. If they can somehow cram a 200kWh battery with megawatt charging to get 700 miles and 10 minute charges into a Toyota priced car, so be it. Can’t imagine that’d be possible since that would be like 20-30k in battery cost alone, and there aren’t any chargers who can deliver that kind of power right now anyway.
  
  At 350kW peak, I wonder what the miles per kwh would need to be to charge 700 miles of range in 10 minutes. That’s 58.3kWh delivered. So uhhhh they’d need to get 12 miles per kwh which would be uhhhh nuts
  
  10 minutes at 350kw (assuming you hold peak the whole time) would provide

It’s 2009, 2014, 2017 and 2020 all over again.

They keep promising great new battery tech just around the corner and never delivering.

If I was a cynic, I might think they’re simply doing it to put people off buying current EVs so they’re not saddled with ‘old tech’.

While you wait for our amazing new battery, pick yourself up a great new hybrid..

I am not currently buying but I looked at the Hyundai Ioniq? Iconic? Whatever numbers yesterday and from what I saw you could get an AWD ~50k on the road with over 300 miles range and a cost of ~$8-$10 to fill the battery going off prices in the U.S. for electricity.

That is better than what I need for sure and 1/3 the cost of gas, so I have to say the doubts and againsts are getting pretty small here. I think 0-60 was 5.1 seconds (SUV crossover) that's as quick as I want an SUV to accelerate haha
- Also depends on where you live. I can charge my Model S from 0% to 100% for about $5-$6 and get 350-400 miles.
  
  But my friend in California would have to pay something like ~$40, which makes it a much harder sell.
Does anyone remember graphene?
- I've been looking forward to graphene technology for like 8 years. Still hopeful though.

Yeah, I call bullshit, until proven without a doubt.

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is this the same Toyota that’s actually lobbying the US government against the switch to EVs? Is this the same Toyota who had the clear advantage in EV technology but squandered it all just to keep on manufacturing thermal engines?

This is another shitty tactic, don’t believe them.

Akio Toyoda, the CEO responsible for their Anti-EV stance, was replaced on April 1st.
- He was the president & CEO, now he is the chairman.
  
  Also the grandson of the founder of Toyota.
They know the tech is out there, they just don't want it and will only use as much of it as they are forced to.

There's a reason why Tesla, a car company that was openly and explicitly set on building electric cars, was such a big deal.

I want to know how they are getting that much energy safely delivered to the battery. That's probably 200+ kWh of energy getting dumped into the battery in 10 min. That's going to cause a lot of heat and require a massive delivery system. Maybe a local capacitor that slow charged and then dumps all at once, but I didn't see any details on the article.

Possibly capacitors, but most likely there will be battery storage for charging systems. The Tesla V4 superchargers can deliver 1 MW of total power spread across 4 individual cars, but can only draw 350kW from the grid. To get the additional power, they have batteries connected to the system that charge up when the supercharger is delivering less than 350kW.
MCS and other standards in consideration are all around the 1-3.5MW range.

Most of the absurd luxury/sports EVs output 500kW-1MW at full acceleration (they can only keep this up for 5 minutes though). It's not a huge leap from existing production stuff.

in perfect lab* conditions.

** In an artificial 45 degree downward slope, in a vacuum, with an assisted gravity of 1.5G, running in eco++++ mode, using tier 800 mega max pOwattedgenanoblockchainturd battery life technology (price available on consultation only).

TL;DR Need proof.

Press x to doubt.

Yeah, I'm gonna need to see the paperwork on that....

Toyota is a really notorious company. They changed the whole small car segment to premium segment by bumping up the price more than 75%.

The price of everything has been bumped up 75%.
- Yeah but someone started it

I wonder what the safety is like?

Right now I think Li-FePo4 cells are the safest high capacity ones on the market, you can even drill a hole through them in some cases and they don't combust

Solid state lithium are generally much safer. Keeping them working for more than a few charges is the problem.

Claims they could.

If you can get a downhill stretch of road that long...

Damn does the whole block brown out when you plug it in?

My Bolt gets , simplify, 400 km on 60 kW or 15.0 kw/100 km efficiency. It can charge at 30-50 KWH from a big old DC fast charge station in 1.5 hours or so.

This thing gets 1200km, equivalent to 180 kW, in 10 minutes? Is it charging at 900kwh or is it operating on the road at 5kw/100km or something in between? Either way I'll believe it when I see it. As far as I know 360kwh or so is the max right now.

kW is the rate, kWh is the amount of energy. You've swapped them and it's giving me a stroke to read lol
- It's called power. But yeah, it's the rate of energy transformed.

I wonder if they finally perfected that 3D sponge battery. Rather than plates or coiled foil they make some blown copper zinc mixture i think and it causes a crazy amount of surface area for the reaction. Sounded cool years ago and then never heard anything again about it.

I just want an electric Tacoma. I'd trade up from my 2014 in a heart beat.

If they actually do this though…

It will come, I just question if the hydrogen market will best them soon after

745 miles. Dayamm.

a tesla model 3 100kwh battery charges from 10% to 80% in 30min with 250kw charger, that means 70kwh for 376km autonomy in 30 min. if u want 1200km range, u need a pack of 223kwh to get that range, and a charging speed of 2390kw to do that in 10min. a pack of 223kw would weigh 1338kg. wouldn't that affect the car autonomy ? probably. with a hydrogen car, a 5kg of h2 would give u 400km of autonomy, refillable in 10 min, so u would need 3*5kg of h2 tanks to get that charging speed, also 3 ports. are those feasible ? will see.

Hydrogen always seemed like the best solution, but isn't it a nightmare to store safety? Accidents would basically turn into massive explosions
- well, every form of energy storage can be a headache to handle (ie batteries..), but what can u do ? maybe use kevlar tanks (if thats a thing) ?.. there should be some workaround somehow

How is Toyota the only car company still not selling a single BEV vehicle?

They're not, they've had the bZ4X for over around a year now. It's kinda mediocre but certainly not the worst BEV I've seen.
- It definitely sucks.
IIRC Toyota bet hard on hydrogen fuel cell technology and have been stubbornly working on making them a thing instead of pivoting to BEVs.

Which I'm not exactly mad about or sure if it is (or isn't, I genuinely don't know enough about the technology to make a call) a bad decision. While it's certainly looking right now like BEVs are the way of the future, maybe Toyota will make some breakthrough and hydrogen really will end up being the next big thing.

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This kills the Tesla

Last I saw the anticipated production start of that project is in the early 2030s so talking about it now is kinda moot. Whatever vehicle I buy now will be dead or near death by the time this hits dealerships

Meanwhile, a 2010-era gasoline Toyota will outlast the heat death of the universe. Toyota is lagging behind in EV development, but it’s largely because they’re focused on finding ways to make it last fucking forever. Toyota interiors are infamous for being really bare. But that’s because they only include the things that they can be sure will work for the next decade at least. You aren’t going to find something like a dead console touchscreen in a two year old Toyota, because Toyota won’t include a touchscreen in the console until they’ve figured out how to make them survive a lot of abuse.
- My Toyota touch-screen stopped responding to my touch after 11 years.
This is a technology post, not a "buy this car next" post. It's moot if all you care about is your next car.