Using the "frog in boiling water" technique
Using the "frog in boiling water" technique
This is a $1 dollar increase from what I was paying. But soon subscribers will be $15/month, then $20/month. I wonder how much of deezer's income actually goes to the artists.
I don't know about Deezer, but Spotify is raising prices while telling artists they will no longer be paid at all unless they reach a certain threshold of popularity. So they're boiling the frogs on both ends.
The middlemen who neither create nor appreciate music will still do OK though.
Problem is, Spotify has always been making a loss, so I’m not sure what side I’m on here
I'm getting audiobooks now
The frog in boiling water is actually a complete myth. The frog jumps out when the water is too warm for it, it's not completely stupid. If the price is 'too hot' for you, jump out. Deezer (or any other streaming service) isn't forcing you to stay subscribed.
I remember people giving Spotify shit for increasing their monthly price from 10 to 11. It was the first price hike in over a decade. That doesn’t seem devastating or bad or wrong.
Compare it to something like Disney plus and how drastically they increased the price since service introduction
I'm OK with the increase in price if I knew that extra money was actually going to the artists. But how do we know?
The extra money is probably going into server upkeep, software development, etc., not to artists.
If you want to support artists, Spotify definitely is among the worst choices, while Deezer isn’t great but not horrible either. A little while ago I compiled the most official numbers I could find for any service that I could find. Now mind you, they are a little older (2-ish years) and I cannot remember the source, so take those numbers with a grain of salt but here they go:
Per 1000 streams an Artist gets on average:
• $4.02 on Amazon Music
• $4.37 on Spotify
• $6.76 on both Deezer and YouTube Music
• $7.35 on Apple Music
• $12.50 on Tidal
• $19.00 on Napster
• $38.16 on Quobuz
As I said, the numbers are most likely not the most accurate anymore, the process for these services have changed a little since. However, they might still be interesting enough to know. Maybe someone is bored enough to search the web for more up to date data.
For consumers it might also be interesting to add, that Spotify and YouTube Music, while costing the same as most of the other services (excluding Tidal HiFi Plus and Quobuz), offer a significantly worse audio quality than any other service (aka no lossless audio) and that Tidal‘s expensive HiRes audio tier uses a codec (MQA), that is proven to be terrible and mostly snake oil.
In short: If you want to support artists, stay away from Spotify or amazon. If you want the best audio quality, stay away from Spotify, YouTube Music or Tidal and maybe Deezer (no support for HiRes lossless. Although to be fair, CD-Quality is enough for almost anyone). If you want both and don’t mind paying a little more: use Quobuz
Spotify is continually reducing the amount they give to artists.
That's easy to know, actually. Spotify pays 70% of revenue to rights holders, and keeps 30%. Hence an increase of $1 will mean $0.30 for Spotify, and $0.70 to rights holders.
https://labelgrid.com/blog/royalties/spotify-pay-per-stream/
According to Max, Deezer pays more per play but Deezer has less users than Spotify.
Deezer has a smaller catalog, as far as I'm aware. Tried switching, but it's hard when I have 700 liked songs on Spotify and only a fraction available on Deezer. Liked everything else about them though.
You can upload mp3s on deezer (website, but once you're uploaded them you can Listen to them and download them in the app). So if there's something particular that's missing and you have a mp3, you can add it. I've personally never had problems to find things on deezer, but I've been using it a lot and it definitely shaped my taste.
lol I have more than 5k songs on YT Music, I think their catalog is even bigger than Spotify's
The article I read mentioned Deezer had a larger library. Maybe they are missing your favorites. I am impartial as I don't use either service.
Privacy.com card, limit $1. Deezer premium free trial with fake email, immediately lock and delete privacy card. Login to Deezer in the deemix-gui app. Proceed to download all the music you could possibly want, in lossless format, until the trial runs out. Proceed to create a new privacy card and a new Deezer premium trial with a new fake email. Problem solved.
Too bad it's US only.
You can use Revolut with a virtual card.
If they want to, they'll easily sue you.
I'm still trying to buy physical CDs. It is getting more difficult, but they're still around.
This shitshow will only get worse, NOT better.
Yep, if you buy the music you actually like, yeah that CD you bought at FYE in 2013 was $12, but that's $12 literally 10 years ago, water under the bridge, and you can still use it however you want to use it.
Meawhile Deezer nuts is making you pay for a CD-worth of content every month. That's 12 CDs a year.
Now That's What I Call a LOT of Music.
You can just burn CDs if there is no offiical one.
Are CDs not available for some artists/albums you want?
Most often I'm finding a silly high price. Like this:
CDs have been making a slow comeback for the past year or two, and global CD sales actually went up last year for the first time in over a decade. If it's anything like the vinyl or cassette resurgence, I imagine it won't be too difficult to find places that sell CDs in a few years.
Let us not forget how these same publishers used to price gouge us on these CDs before we had any legitimate alternatives. In the '90s, they'd charge $20-$25 for an album with 10 songs on it, most of them filler. With inflation, that'd be equivalent to $40-$50 today.
I know it might be an unpopular opinion over here, but I feel that's still an acceptable price. Music is honestly the only media where I just can't see myself going back to piracy again, because the comfort and ability to discover new music is just pretty much impossible to achieve without a streaming service... unfortunately
It depends whether you enjoy the datahoarder experience or if you just want to listen. Also internet avaliability. My mobile data isnt even 320kbps sometimes so streaming isnt an option. I also don't want it all tied to someone else. I have a lot of music in my hoard that was pulled from streamers or wasn't on them to begin with.
This here, and honestly I would rather be prepared for the enshitification of streaming music because Capitalism will make it shitty everyone. Just like video streaming. Rarely if ever does a company say "That's enough money."
I've been using Youtube Music with a custom front end (Innertune app) lately and it's a decent compromise between piracy and paying for a good streaming service — everything is free, it is streamed, I have an access to a huge library of music and the only downside is that the songs might have poorer quality
Innertune is fantastic. I recommend it to everyone looking for genuinely good alternatives to enshittified music services.
Agreed
Applies to everything except wages.
Remember that cheap subscriptions for digital media is the compromise we made. If they want to fuck around and find out then you should remind them that you can just as easily pay nothing for the same content.
At this point people should be posting things that HAVENT seen a price hike. Because if there are companies out there not jacking up their rates, they deserve a standing O.
My nebula subscription hasn't gotten more expensive.
Good on Facebook! Right? That's what you're saying no?
Actually Facebook recently implemented a subscription service to remove ads.
I like deezer and I like that they are not part of big tech. It's just a small French company with a quality product as an alternative to Spotify, which is in bed with Google and everyone else.
Well worth the money.
AFAIR, they were aso one of the companies that paid most onto artists.
https://musconv.com/does-deezer-pay-better-than-spotify/
Deezer pays slightly more but Spotify has more users, so it seems to be about the same.
Nah, fuck them for using crappy MP3 as their lossy codec. Spotify uses Ogg Vorbis, with some AAC sprinkled in.
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Deezer nuts, hah!
Someone was going to say it
My Tidal Hi-Fi quality with veteran discount hasn't gone up a penny. It's like $6-7 a month for the CD quality lossless.
Tidal
Woah, 40% off for vets! I might have to give it a whirl!
Of course 4 months later they announce they are removing that discount...
I just read that email today, and then saw the Lemmy thread. 😭
Look into Napster
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Im a little concerned at the possibility of Napster being enshittisied with crypto garbage
old napster that no longer exists or new napster that is some brand takeover troll garbage?
The new one/Spotify competitor
Oh pirate bay... Lol
This is why I steal everything. Jk
Qobuz has been fantastic for me. Great music quality and selection, and not just garbage hit list music.
I checked them out and it seems like they have great selection, but I was turned off by their shady marketing. On their home page it says $10.83 per month in bold letters. Then underneath in small print says "for a 12 month no refundable subscription with one payment of $129. Monthly subscription is $12.99/ month" not cool.
i used to use deezer but for some reason i was no longer available to use it for some reason (i forgot the reason)
I have a family plan, they just raised the price of the subscription in October of last year from $14.99 to $17.99... I was already thinking that's too much, but now I'm definitely done with them.
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