Protect and serve my ass rule

Warren v. DC: "Police have no obligation to protect people."
Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales: "Police have no obligation to enforce the law."
Heien v. North Carolina: "Police have no obligation to know the law."
- This is a bizarro version of the three monkeys.
  
  Protect no people, enforce no laws, know no laws?
- I didn't believe you, so I looked up those cases. While there's a little more nuance to the cases than your summaries, you are pretty spot on. We are all cursed with this disgraceful knowledge now.
- so they're basically useless to us
  
  They have no legal obligation to be useful, let's put it that way.
  There are cops and departments which take an active and sincere interest in community policing and social justice.... but power tends to corrupt, and the almost complete lack of obligation or oversight combined with the weird hero-worship of the right-wing means most cops and departments are not interested in anything except the perpetuation of their own power.
  
  But not to the rich

Who the fuck thanks cops for their service? Is this some kind of American thing??
- Some Americans worship cops as a part of their political identity. They're the "Free-thinkers" that all seem to act identically and get their opinions handed down to them from US Reich wing media and internet personalities.
  One thing about this post though is that the police DO protect and serve, it's just who they're protecting and serving (hint: it's the wealthy and their businesses)
  
  I highly recommend the six part mini series Robert Evans did called "Behind the Police" as a subset of his "Behind the Bastards" podcast.
- A lot of coffee/donut/pastry shops offer “service discounts” to cops, firefighters, and paramedics. It really took off after 9/11.
  
  My so is a paramedic. They deserve it. Terrible working conditions. General shitty pay versus their responsibilities. City crews are overworked. Most calls are unnecessary. Police shove off any psych emergency calls to them. In the same sketchy situations as police and firefighters. Firefighters get all the glory and general do nothing compared to paramedics and the ambulance crew. Firefighters just act as first responders. So would work 12 hours and do nearly dozen calls... Creating overtime.. in the truck for all those hours. Just my opinion.
- You’ll also hear a lot of stories from people in the service industry about cops expecting not to have to pay for food/coffee when they go out to shops, and getting indignant when they are still asked to pay after flashing their badge.
- Bootlickers... You would be amazed how many Americans fall into that category.

Fun fact: contrary to popular belief, the United States of America is not the only country on earth, and it's laws don't apply to the other 195 UN member states and other unrecognized states and territories.
I'm not saying cops outside of the USA aren't bastards, but this isn't an argument against cops, more against the US government
- My first thought was r/USDefaultism. I wonder if there’s a community here with the same premise?
  Edit: There is now. https://lemmy.world/c/usdefaultism
  
  Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !usdefaultism@lemmy.world
- Why not both?

Did whoever that made this forget George Floyd?
- There's thousands of George Floyd's, very few that see a conviction though.
  
  I believe the term is Georges Floyd.

There's a very good reason to thank them though. They're more likely to leave you alone if they think you respect their authority.
Then you can get away with all sorts of stuff while their backs are turned.
Say "Keep up the good work!". Think ACAB.
- I like this sentiment; it is very good.

what the fuck america

Don’t disagree but shouldn’t we be frustrated w/ judges a d politicians here? The grocery store cashier didn’t set the price of the oranges
- That might be true if the police were ever designed to actually "protect and serve" and their purpose was being twisted, but they've always existed only to serve the rich and protect their property, nothing more.
  Bottom line - be frustrated with them all, judges and politicians (and the ultra rich who own them), and the police, since they essentially serve to uphold each other.
  
  Truth but we really need to vote, make ourselves strong and participate with principle. It sucks but someone has to do it.

Can someone please factcheck this ? I don't believe it but too lazy to do my own research.
- Only done one law paper, for non American law however a few things stand out. Sorry I don't have the cases on hand (I can look them up if anyone can give me the case name and where it was published).
  "Duty to Uphold law, not protect people." This makes sense. The job of the police is to uphold the law, not protect people unless a person coming into harm is doing so because a person is not following the law. As an example, it's not the job of the police to protect a person who is going to kill themselves from alcoholism as drinking is not illegal - only actions taken while drinking.
  "Protect people from harm". Similar to above but this seems to be along the lines of how people can be harmed while police are upholding the law - think of a person who steals a car getting injured when the police run them off the road. That person was harmed in the action of upholding the law.
  "Protect students". I assume this was a school shooting... because Americans. The police job is to stop the shooter as soon as possible to prevent further harm, not protect the people the shooter is trying to kill. Can't remember the name - that recent one where the police stood around a corner being useless? They could have argued that they were protecting other students, however this was not their job (cowards). Their job was to stop the shooter - and the training stated their role was to engage the shooter asap and with everything they had - not Protect people behind them.
  Saying all of this, I can guarantee these decions have been manipulated to avoid responsibility.

I'm really glad I don't live in the US. Not that we don't have a problem with police people, but compared to the US, it's absolutely nothing. And such facts are just atrocious to me.
- Same here. I like living in a country where children can go to school without fear of being massacred and the police don't look like an army.

Its illegal to murder. People are being murdered. So to uphold the law, the murdering has to be stopped. Right?
- No, that would make too much sense. Instead, let's say it has to stop, but not actually do anything, because we like guns. 🙃

Police protect property not people
- They definitely do protect people, it just depends on how much money or power you have.

How does this work? If cops have an obligation to uphold the law and assaulting someone is a crime...Do they not have a responsibility to stop that? Seems like judges are playing games with these rulings to me.
- Basically no. They have an obligation to arrest the perpetrator. They can't be made to risk their safety in defending you tho. So no, they don't have to protect you in that situation and they can still do their "job" by arresting the perpetrator after.
  
  That's what I mean by playing games, though. You have to do some mental gymnastics to land at a place where attempting to thwart a crime being committed doesn't fall within one's obligation to uphold the law.

Don't forget Uvalde.

Protect property. Yes. Protect you. No.

I'm sorry, WTF!? This is why we need private protection.
- Good news is you can hire other people who would take a bullet for you. Not that it would be easy to find or cheap.
  Anyway it is kind of fucked isn't it? Would be worse if america was the home of the most guns per capita.. as it is.