US judge rules: if you can't prove damages, car-makers can continue to intercept and record customers' mobile phone activity.

auto manufacturers had violated Washington state’s privacy laws by using vehicles’ on-board infotainment systems to record and intercept customers’ private text messages and mobile phone call logs.

But the appellate judge ruled Tuesday that the interception and recording of mobile phone activity did not meet the Washington Privacy Act’s standard

Privacy is a fundamental human right.

Just not in Usa, as it seems. Here it is indeed the law that needs to be fixed.

https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/is-privacy-a-human-right/

Isn't this just a basic legal concept?

"In order to claim damages, there must be a breach in the duty of the defendant towards the plaintiff, which results in an injury"

Basically the judge is saying the plaintiff didn't establish the basic foundation of a tort case. He's not saying this isn't wrong, he's saying they didn't present the case in a way that proves it.

It's not enough to say "you shouldn't be doing this"--even if that's true.

Disappointing result but this seems like something for the legislature to fix. Courts aren't always the solution, sometimes you have to just fix the damn law.

I mean ok but the fact that your car is spying on you has to break a thousand big tech nda’s

I wonder how long until we get to jailbreak our cars just so those cock suckers can’t spy on us.

This is why I keep my 2006 toyota in tip top shape. I will drive that car as long as I possibly can.

One of these companies needs to be beached to prove damages, I guess.

So ask the judge why car companies want to track judges?

Well.. fuck. More reason to not buy newer cars. At least you Americans are lucky. You can drive a dinosaur if it met with regulations. You technically don't have to buy new cars.. ever.

Obvious next question: how’s the privacy policy on 3rd party stereo makers like Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine, Jensen, etc.?

Setting aside questions of legality, it seems kind of like it wouldn't encourage someone to purchase their cars.

Well I am still so happy that I decided specifically to get a newish car that doesn't have a touchscreen or any of this nonsense.

It can't be illegal because you agree to allow them when you purchase the new vehicle. It's all there in the T&C and PP, which no one ever reads. Don't like it? Don't buy new cars. I won't.

Wait, how are CARS intercepting mobile activities?

Just gotta get someone to hack their system. Then it'll be easy to prove damages

Yet another item on my list of why I'll never buy a modern car.

Thank goodness for Signal

I recently found a video talkkng about privacy. One of the topic was that privacy does not ring any bell in people's mind. Contrary to intimacy. Maybe we should all replace privacy by intimacy so we can tell what is really implied to non software people