OK Microsoft... trying to log into Teams while work lapop updates to Windows 11. No longer works in any iPhone browser, including Edge. The app will not authenticate my work login.

I just dont understand how any company can use a product as broken as teams.
- It comes with the Office subscription. People who choose it are not the ones using it daily.
  
  My company's IT department tried to push Teams since we pay for it either way. The rest of the company revolted and stayed on Slack.
  
  This fucking mentality. "Let's use this thing that's free instead of paying 50 dollars/month, the people who have to work with this can get their asses fucked!"
- It comes with office for free. That's how.
- Now imagine being a freelance developer, who works for more than two clients, using Teams with different email addresses.
  It's a horror!
  
  That's me, but with four different clients. Have to switch between accounts all the time. It's hell.
- I'm not a huge fan of Teams, as it lacks critical features that alternatives have. But I've never experienced anything that would make me say it's broken. What exactly are you referring to?
  
  If you are part of two organizations you can't log into both at once, and switch between them. You need to log out and log back in. The way you test your mic and speakers is incredibly stupid and slow. It's also a disorganized mess.
  
  I’m not a huge fan of Teams, as it lacks critical features that alternatives have. But I’ve never experienced anything that would make me say it’s broken. What exactly are you referring to?
  If you aren't part of an organization, and need to join another groups team temporarily, its a complete clusterfuck. I'm not sure what exactly they are doing with cookies, but if you have to work with multiple teams, its shocking how bad it is.
  Also, the chat/ zoom feature for video conferencing; I've never had it 'just work'. There is always someone who has an issue getting it to function correctly. It regularly drops video or audio or both. I'm like, actually shocked that a company like MS can't make basic functional software.
  
  If you do a lot of B2B interaction as a guest tenant you cannot switch tenants without Teams being rendered inoperable.
  Once you switch the client will continue to crash with the only recourse being to close the client and erase it's cache manually.
  It's beyond annoying.
  Most recently with the update to add "Teams Classic" as the package name. Now, then coming out of suspend, the client will randomly just be a white window, while still functioning as if it isn't, so you accidentally click the white box and start calls. This also forces you to force close teams and reopen it.
  Yes, Teams 2.0 is available on enterprise, however some enterprises are annoying about updates and will sit on the upgrade for several years.
  
  We use it where I work and it does have its problems but I’ve not experienced anything major. The biggest issue is that it frequently can’t access the camera or mic without a reboot.
  I’ve never used anything else so I’m wondering what these critical features that it’s missing are. Our company only has about 25 employees so I wonder if it’ll get more difficult as we grow more. Having said that, almost all of our European customers use Teams and many of them have thousands of employees and seem to be managing ok (although they wouldn’t tell me if they weren’t - it’s the kind of thing that you complain about among yourselves).
  
  Well, it’s not broken today but an update will break it tomorrow…guaranteed.
  
  How about the fact it’s the only web all I have ever used that requires you to manually refresh it sometimes.
  Like, it stops everything to show you a message saying “Please refresh my page thx”
- I use teams for work and have not had a single problem in the almost three years I’ve been with the company. We have teams phones and pretty much all teams licensing. I’ve had lots of problems with zoom and go to meeting. Especially with GoToMeeting when I was managing a citrix environment.
  
  I've been using it daily for two years and I've had pretty much nothing but problems. It'll sit in the background and sleep or something, and then I'll get five hundred messages dropping in all at once. I put teams on my work phone on the side so I can see if someone messages me.
  Sometimes messages don't come through on the PC client, but they can be sent from it, meaning if I look at a chat on my phone it looks normal, but on my PC it looks like I'm talking to myself.
  Video calls make all the shadows in the OS flicker. There's a lot of shadows now, never gave them a second thought before.
  The app has a tendency to spontaneously log me out during things, and then refuse to log back in unless I reboot.
  Sometimes it doesn't detect my camera or microphone.
  Sometimes during calls the buttons stop working. If I'm sharing my desktop, I can't stop sharing. If I'm muted, I can't unmute myself. If my video is off, I can't turn it on. If I want to close the rubbish and restart, I'll need to go through task manager.
  Not a big fan.
  
  Using Teams at first I was annoyed it didn’t have some zoom features like video backgrounds or whatever…but after using it quite a while I do like it better. The problem for me is you never know what update is going to break something whenever updates are forced…for office and all of the other work software.
- It integrates or something, idfk. Part of the Microsoft suite so we all get it by default. No, don't ask why licenses just got more expensive, I promise its free.
- I can field this. The answer is simple: they don't. They use Slack internally.
- Which alternative do you propose?
  
  Literally anything else except for zoom and teams.
  
  Literally anything else is a better option. Slack + zoom is orders of magnitude better.

In Microsoft's defense I phones don't have proper web browsers. They are all the same under the hood
- Yeah, this might be it. For anyone not aware, every browser on iOS is just safari with a different skin and some plugins to work with whatever ecosystem you actually are trying to use.
- They have different browsers with limitations but I don’t know about not proper. It is possible to build perfectly decent web apps but many times they choose not to or it’s too much trouble
  
  See 2.5.6 here: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
  It is possible to build perfectly decent web apps but many times they choose not to or it’s too much trouble
  On iOS, they quite literally can't in some aspects. They're restricted to using the supplied WebKit Apple enforces. On Android you can use the Blink Web View (Chromium) or Gecko Web View (Firefox). Both of which can be bundled in the app, or you can use the system version.
  They have different browsers with limitations but I don’t know about not proper.
  Every single iOS "browser" is WebKit. AKA Safari. Due to Apple's plug-in system being proprietary, it's difficult to extend. Third party browsers typically use JavaScript injections which slow down the browsing experience. The supplied WebKit is also watered down and updated on a slower cycle. Apple intentionally makes their browser better.
  You're not actually using Microsoft Edge. You're using Safari and it's being identified as such by the UA string. Due to Safari being in last place for web standards feature support, it's not surprising you're coming across the issue.
  
  iOS only allows PWAs in Safari, and Safari lacks a lot of features for PWAs - https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/ is a pretty good resource for figuring out what they do and don’t support.
  Outside of PWAs, Safari is a pain to develop for. Unlike both Firefox and Chromium browsers, its “dev tools” are a bit of a mess and don’t support simply adding extensions like React Dev Tools to augment them. To use such an extension you have to run it as an independent application and connect to Safari, and IME doing this it frequently fails to actually connect properly and didn’t provide a comparable workflow.
  When I was working on an app that only needed to support Safari, I ended up just using those extensions in Chrome or Firefox rather than trying to build it in Safari.
  And this is my experience building on a Mac. For anyone developing on a Windows or Linux device, it’s not like they can just install Safari locally to confirm that everything works. So if something doesn’t work in Safari, it’s probably not gonna get caught by the developer.
  
  They don't though. They all use the same engine and a subject to Apples restrictive rules
  
  Safari/WebKit on iOS doesn't support Opus which makes it a non starter for modern video call platforms.

That are two capital NOs from me:
using teams on my own phone
turning off tracking protections.

Lemmy has a serious boner for hating on Microsoft.
- Teams is exceptional in being terrible.
  I was totally over trash talking MS stuff until Teams came along and reminded me just how terrible they can be when they have a market segment cornered.
  
  When it works it’s alright. Interfaces with the rest of office. But Microsoft literally breaks it all the time…it’s never been more broken then when I updated to Windows 11 today. Literally spent 6 fucking hours on updates, reboots, uninstalls and reinstalls. When I logged off and went home I was still using the damn web version because windows updates were immediately breaking anything tech support fixed. I got paid for doing very little but really frustrating day.
- Agreed but also fuck teams.
- i hate MS, Google, Amazon, Apple ..... FOSS or bust fuck these robber barron birches
  
  Same here but I've got to admit Google does some cool stuff.
- I've been using computers for well over 30 years. Teams is an unintuitive pile of shit.
- Yes we have
- ~~Lemmy~~ the internet has a serious boner for hating on Microsoft.
  you must be new here
  
  the internet has a serious boner for hating on ~~Microsoft~~ major corporations.
  you must be new to the internet
- If they would actually fix their shit then we would probably be less critical of it but right now it is a pile of steaming garbage
  
  So my Linux loving friend had their Debian installation nuke itself the other day. They went to boot it up and it just vanished. Completely gone. For zero discernable reason. It worked the night before without issue, it worked for months before that without issue, only to boot up and have everything missing.
  All this is to say that using non Microsoft operating systems doesn't magically make everything better. Everything in computing has issues and there's no such thing as the perfect system.
  Plus, even if Windows was perfect and fully FOSS, you and I both know you and all the other unix people would still hate it. It's been the same circle jerk since the day unix existed.
- True but with good reason. I hate Microsoft and my job is implementing their stuff.
  My colleagues are all hyped up about Ignite later this month, it's disgusting, like a cult. And they're constantly spamming LinkedIn full of Microsoft headlines like good corporate drones.
- We were told that Teams was the bees knees and it would massively enhance collaboration and productivity due to its fantastic integration.
  Well, let me tell you that my disappointment was immeasurable.
  It is so slow, so inflexible, so unpolished. I despise it for anything other than a quick chat.
  
  On my work computer Teams is consistently the biggest memory hog even when I'm not in a meeting or actively using it.
- Yeah, like there's issues but I was literally just arguing with a guy earlier who genuinely thought that using Linux was a magic bullet for network security because "FOSS is secure!"
  He was more worried about microsoft skimming his data than threat actors planting malware. THAT was his primary "security" concern. Find me any Sec analyst that is worried about what Microsoft is doing versus hacktivists or foreign governments, you can't. We know it's happening, just don't use personal shit on your company computer.
  Then he accused me of being a Microsoft fanboy because I said users having unrestricted access to putting whatever software they want on their machine is a massive attack surface.
  These wannabe's are so fucking bad here, and because there's so many of them the non-IT users get up voted while actual IT professionals get downvoted for speaking the truth based on actual security policies.

Teams, when used within a single Org, works great. For 3rd party interaction, or working for multiple Orgs I would highly recommend almost any other product.
The intra-org integration with SharePoint and document management/data retention is very good.
But nonsense like what OP is experiencing is why even I, as the senior MS Support SysAdmin at my employer, refuse to use Microsoft Office products on my personal Android phone.
If they want/need me to do that, they can give me a dedicated phone just for that purpose. MS MAM is never touching my personal equipment in a million years.
OP is stuck between a rock and a crap place.
- I was hired during the pandemic and Teams has been my main way of interacting with my employer and co-workers since 2021. I like it OK most days but Microsoft likes to release updates that break things several times a year. Oh…I like this new feature! And…an update broke it
- I keep Teams on my Android phone but installed in its own isolated work profile via Shelter.
  
  Our MAM policy would not allow this.
  Frankly it's BS.

Teams is far more than mildly infuriating
- I don't use Teams but I use WebEx on a Linux laptop. Can't imagine how it can get worse than that

You know what's great about Microsoft Teams compared to other chat apps? It's super on point with updating your colleague's status. There've been times I thought my colleague was MIA for hours, but turns out, it was just a glitch. A quick restart with the app and boom, we're back in sync! 🤪
- Grey circle = they were fired 😂

I have to use that garbage teams app every f****** day and I hate it. I'm glad I have an android phone and actually have some choice with regard to my browser.
- Oh poor you. It's probably not your fault you are living the life of you.
  
  What the fuck is this bullshit comment? Come on, man. If you want to be an insulting troll, at least put in some effort. Sheesh.

Do you have a "Use Desktop Mode" on iPhone browsers?
- Ah…after 15 minutes of fucking around I was able to get it to work only after disabling all tracking prevention at Microsoft’s direction and clearing all browser history and requesting desktop website. Their instructions say to turn tracking protections back on when you are done using teams browser version…
  Now I can go online and tell my team windows 11 is still installing. Hurray! 😂
  
  Didn't you know? With Microsoft products those trackers are required. The app just wouldn't be able to function if they couldn't track everything you typed into it. You should really be more thoughtful of Microsoft and how you're being a big meany by not giving them your data.
  
  Glad you got it fixed. It really grinds my gears that so many big companies have taken their lightweight and usable mobile interfaces and borked them, replacing it with a page saying "Use our app 🤭", then the app is just the mobile page in a webview wrapper for the majority of functions.
  
  I had to do similar bullshit to get working on Firefox on Android.

They don't even let you log in if your browser is set to block third party cookies. Fuck Microsoft.

They say it is rewritten and in reality it has the exact same bugs and issues as before. Kudos to the product manager who managed to sale it as new

Good guy MS, protecting you from webkit? 🤔
AFAIK it has something to do with the weird rerouting they do during the login process. I had issues using containers in Firefox for a while, too. Though nowadays it works, both on mobile and on desktop.

I work in the tech support field and Microsoft is making me want to quit and find a work that doesn't involve using Teams. I've never liked them very much and been a Linux user for over 20 years, but I still have to deal with them for work. However they're becoming increasingly difficult to tolerate.
They really really want Windows users to have a Microsoft account. I avoid that and prefer local accounts. But Microsoft likes to link my local account with my Microsoft account anyway, because I need to give it to them to play Minecraft on Windows. So now even if I didn't want to, my Windows account is showing the picture of my Microsoft/Windows Gaming account profile because I must have passed over a box to uncheck somewhere while logging into Windows Gaming to play Minecraft... mildly infuriating Microsoft.
I used a personal laptop for work a few times and accidentally connected my OneDrive to my corporate account. Again, I must have misunderstood the configuration and login process because it synced (more like moved) all my personal files on my work's OneDrive. Mildly infuriating Microsoft.
Same personal laptop used for work sometimes. I use Edge specifically to separate work from personal browsing and somehow, again, I logged in somewhere with my work account and it synced all my personal browsing history and saved passwords from a different browser, into my "Edge for business" online thigny. So when I was using Edge at work, on my work computer, it was suggesting me logins and passwords from my personal browser that I use on different computers. Mildly infuriating Microsoft.
Teams, OneDrive, Edge for business, their subscription model, forcing Microsoft accounts... individually they are mildly infuriating but combined together, let's say it's a powerful generator of rolling eyes.

There is a setting in office 365 that won't allow non-company assets to log in. It got me too.
- Yeah that setting does it’a job, I get rejected if I try to use a teams app. But it works on the web for whatever reason.

Whenever I log into teams on my home PC, Firefox pops up to be like "hey, teams is asking to use cookies from microsoftonline.com is that okay?" It's possible Safari is enforcing something like that but without the prompt.

Jooooin uuuuuus