Iraq 2.0

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/israel-hamas/2023/11/07/netanyahu-israel-plans-to-control-gaza-after-hamas-war-ends/71486260007/

But Novik said that any such plan would require something that is just not realistic: a willing partner.

"There is no third party that is going to take responsibility for Gaza and release Israel from the burden of occupying it long term with its 2.3 million Palestinians. It's just not going to happen."

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"the burden of occupying it"
- just fuckin' leave bro nobody is making you do this
- White man's burden, but while pretending to not be white
Nobody in media wants to acknowledge the fact that Israel is very explicitly stating that their goal in this war is complete control of Gaza and that that goal is predicated on those 2.3 million Palestinians not being alive, not being in Gaza, or both.
- They're complicit
  It's why they put genocide in scare quotes when it comes up regarding Palestinians despite bandying the term around Ukraine like it was the word of the day
  
  Absolutely
I wish Netanyahu a very happy
- his nephew already got got
  
  I want his shitty sons gone too. And his wife. What a garbage family
Anyone who says "after the war ends" in this day and age sounds like a crazy person to me. When was the last time a war went the way anyone thought it would? When was the last time a war decided anything? When was the last time you could even declare that a war had ended at all? Saying "after the war" is cope.
- When was the last time a war went the way anyone thought it would?
  Iraq 1 under Bush Sr.
  Kosovo under Clinton.
  Even Afghanistan went reasonably smoothly (give or take a certain "oops we lost our guy in the mountains of Tora Bora, oh well!") for the first five years of invasion and occupation.
  We likely could have gotten away with occupying Afghanistan indefinitely, if we'd just bombed the fuck out of Iraq, carved up the Sunni triangle and handed it to some combination of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and New Kurdistan, then scampering away under a Mission Accomplished banner. But Iraq was supposed to be the launchpad for our invasion of Syria and Iran. Rumfeld thought that this was going to be a new beginning rather than the graveyard of American empire.
  Gaza is, if nothing else, small enough for Israel to just bulldoze through. This isn't a massive mountainous hinterland or a wide windswept desert. Its an oversized slum, with guns pointed at it from every angle. Gaza residents don't really have a chance against an Israeli invasion. Not if they really are just going to go house-to-house and murder everyone.
  If Germany could get a stranglehold over Poland in the 1930s, Gaza doesn't stand a chance in the 2020s.
- iraq turned out about how early 1990s dick cheney thought it would, and the occupation of afghanistan went about how i expected when i was years old, just took way longer.
  i suspect ukraine is going exactly how
  wants it to
“We will be greeted as Liberators.”
"the ukraine invasion is eviler than u.s. military adventures because russia wants to annex territory"
Let's see if Israel still controls Israel after its war with Hamas ends
There is no need to worry about Netanyahu's long term goals. Everyone knows he will not be long term at this point. He will only stay in power for as long as he can pretend this is an ongoing national emergency, which is why he is stuck advocating for an eternal occupation. Next guy will also be terrible, but will probably see the benefits of just declaring victory and going home. Then he'll probably win a nobel peace price or something and resume the normal state of a slightly slower genocide.

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