Harris rejects DeSantis’ offer to debate Florida’s new Black history standards

Honestly debating these people is completely pointless and should be seen as such. They're not going to argue in good faith and they will just continue to create statements that are inarguable due to confounded bullshit. Word salad after preposterous nonsense.
- That's exactly what they would do.
  "Ok KAMALA are you really going to say that learning a new skill isn't beneficial? Are you going to lie to the Great Patriots™©® of America and say that being given housing and food in exchange for labor is no beneficial? Are you actually saying that being exposed to our Great Christian Culture™©® is not beneficial!? Well now the True Patriots™©® can see you for what you are, a liar!"
  Every mouth breather, slobbenly, Trump sucker would be sent to the ICU for a heart attack caused by sheer bliss from the massive "win" they just had...
  It's so gross...
- I respectfully disagree, I think something like this is worth a debate. That is really the only venue that you would switch someone's mind who is in the middle of the road for who to vote for in 2024 in the US. Everything with these politicians is said from a safe zone in an echo chamber of their respective parties, they need to be to talking directly to each other and hash it out in front of everyone.
Can we step back for a second and just soak up the fact that it's 2023 and some presidential candidates still want to debate the benefits of owning humans?
I know MLK Jr said
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice
But man, that arc seems so long that a flat earther would deny there's a curve at all.
- A white racist piece of shit wants to debate the vice president who is a black woman. I sure thought we had made progress over the last 50 years, but of course we haven't.
She kinda has a point... debating him just legitimizes his views.

Never give a fascist a platform.

There's only one platform fascist deserve. A platform that's gonna drop out from under them, good thing they have a rope or they'd fall to the ground.
Still waiting on the left to stop giving Elon Musk one

The only correct response, you don't bargain with terrorists. Her turning up and debating it legitimises it like it's an actual educational option and not lies.

pretty sure you cant be a terrorist and a governor at the same time. is this like calling people nazi's because you disagree with them?
- "Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
  Do you think a governor is above the law? Or can't do anything illegal? Or that they can't intimidate?
  Please explain which part he isn't able to do. I'm not seeing it.
- Do you remember the metaphor lesson from elementary school?
- pretty sure you cant be a terrorist and a governor at the same time.
  Cheers mate, I needed a chuckle.
- Idk, he's doing a pretty darn good job of terrorising LGBT+ people by quite literally making it difficult to exist
- Most terrorist leaders were equivalent to governors or higher. What the hell does holding the office of governor do to prevent someone from using fear and violence for political gain?
- Yes, its the exact same shit. "Oh no, we can't have field trips to strip clubs anymore, thats terrorism!"

And now the clowns will say: “See! They’re scared!” And jerk each other off while watching Trump’s 2016 inaugural speech.

The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.
Any turn of events somehow bolsters their claim, because their worldview is unfalsifiable nonsense. It is not even wrong.
- Would there be a way, though, to actually debate the bad faith holders and win? By exposing their bad faith point for point and making them look so bad in public that they automatically lose?
- And as soon as it becomes falsifiable they will change it. Even to the point of espousing the exact opposite.
Who gives a fuck what the Kool-Aid drinkers think?

Good. There no “debating” with these fascists. They are only looking to bang the table to legitimize their fucked up fantasies.

This is the same reason we don’t “debate” benefits and harms of genocide. DeSpicable.

I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm. There is no good faith to be had, only a megaphone.

I feel awful giving him money but I went to that “museum” in 2014 with my dad and sister. We thought it be an interesting place to go and learn to drive on my learners permit. We are Atheist Jews.
What I learned while I was there (sarcastically, I know the place is all propaganda for their Kool-Ade).
In their astronomy video they specifically say that a light year is the distance light travels in a year. The way they get around the universe being bigger than 6000 light is with the explanation: gravitational time dilation and anisotropic synchrony.
They said lack of god lead to teen boys watching porn and playing GTA. Then they will commit school shootings.
Girls will get pregnant and get abortions. Then they feel bad and commit suicide.
Adam and Eve lived in the tropics with dinosaurs and penguins and all ate pineapple.
Eve at the Apple committing the original sim by defying god and set subservience to man.
Velociraptors were on the arc.
Continental drift and all the super continents broke apart and back together multiple times when the world was flooded for a year.
On the arc they brought one kind of animal and once they went free then they split off into different species.
Separation of church and state is discriminatory against Christians.
Allowing evolution thought in public schools was an assault on Christianity.
Atheism leads to poverty, hunger, famine, drought, war, death, slavers, insert any horrible thing and atheism is to blame.
They had a whole bunch of finches to show Darwin was wrong.
… It was an interesting experience. The dioramas had a lot of work. The miniatures were neat.
The whole place made me angry and frustrated. Especially once they used Carl Sagan’s name to prove their baseless ideology he specifically spoke against shit like this.
- Continental drift and all the super continents broke apart and back together multiple times when the world was flooded for a year.
  Wait, what? How in the fuck? Wouldn't that mean that the continents would be bouncing around the planet at like 50+MPH or some shit to equate to the total continental drift that actually occurred over billions of years? So if that is the case, then ocean explorers never actually went anywhere, they just sat in their boats for a couple of hours until the next continent came buzzing by.
- My favorite bit of the Creation Museum. I laugh every time I read it. The last point is especially funny.
- It's mind bending, isn't it? Hold all the power in your hands and play the victim. Fundie Christians in a nutshell.
- Just so nobody else feels the need to give Ken Hamm their money, here are some photos from someone who already visited:
  https://imgur.com/gallery/aGFFF
  https://imgur.com/a/qxxJH
- What's an 'atheist jew'?
- Velociraptors were on the arc.
  Say it's stuff like this that just proves their full of crap.
  First they say that dinosaurs weren't real and their skeletons were put in the ground by the devil for, reasons.
  Now they're saying that they were real and they were on the ark.
  Make your mind up people. I mean it's all crap but it would be nice if they could be at least consistent with it.
  Also if the dinosaurs were on the boat where are they now? Because they're not around anymore, so wouldn't that rather prove that god does cause extinctions? Which I thought was their big problem with dinosaurs to begin with, because it requires an unkind god.
I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm
"what would it take for you to change your mind?"
Nye: "evidence"
Hamm: "nothing can change my mind"
How do you move forward from that point?
I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm
- You move forward by quitting and regretting your decision to debate the undebatable.

Don't debate DeSantis. Ever. He does not deserve the legitimacy. I thought Trump was bad, and he was. But Trump is an imbecile who used money and likely being a traitor to his country to flounder to success. DeSantis knows he's an ignorant, evil piece of shit and is using all his limited ability to hurt people in order to curry favor with like-minded bigots. Fuck him, he's a nobody. Trump has contributed exactly 1 good thing to this world, and that's Meatball Ron.

No, what's worse is that DeSantis isn't ignorant. He knows exactly what he's doing.
- Exactly. Which is more reason to not even acknowledge his hateful rhetoric.
Trump has contributed exactly 1 good thing to this world, and that's Meatball Ron.
The nickname, that is.
(Not to be confused with Trump's endorsement of DeSantis in 2018.)
I assume you meant "Ignorant" in the sense that his ideals are behind the times, but for the record the guy went to Yale and Harvard Law School. He's not ignorant he's intentionally and maliciously positioning himself aligned with the far right culture war whackos to scoop up Trump's base to get the nomination, then he'll pivot and backpedal those same positions to try and court the undecideds

They should debate on how to pronounce 'Thai food.' Harris would win.

Can someone provide some context? What new standards are they talking about?

Florida passed some laws about how you have to talk about the “good things” slaves got out of the whole involuntary bondage deal.
- Yes, all the life skills and on the job training they received for free. The black employees who walked off the job with their employer’s intellectual property to go out and take over those industries with the knowledge they gained. You see, the civil war was about protecting IP and the stupid north was just stealing all the IP by allowing the former employees to set up shop. /s
- Wut? What on earth do they think slaves got out of it? Unparalleled job security?