Firefox lost users during “failed” Yahoo search deal, says Mozilla CEO

People who use Firefox probably also have some gripes against Google's work, but I sure as fuck don't want anything to do with Yahoo

As a FF user: Mozilla has such a small market share now, they should experiment with search. Maybe don't make another "deal" with another ad based search engine, but invent your own decentralized search or mozilla search or whatever.

Just don’t use gogle.

“Google's core argument that its search engine wins default status due to its quality, not due to anticompetitive behaviors.”

Then why pay Apple 20 billion for default star?

whats wrong with her hair

Boo fucking hoo. Mozilla isn't a saint and could benefit from a shake up as well. Mozilla's dependency on Google is dangerous for all of us.

The biggest loser if the DOJ doesn't win is literally everyone.

I will bite whatever bullet I have to if it means the end of Google hegemony.

Yahoo was a massive failed effort, but it hardly even compares to that haircut.

Most internet users:

Another interesting comment Mozilla's takeaway from the experiment was that Firefox "users made it clear that they look for and want and expect Google.”

I don't understand what's going on with her hair.

Is this the same CEO who fired the entire documentation team and then gave herself a raise?

Is! Yahoo! still! a! thing!?!

The CEO short-term logic makes sense: Yahoo search = Lower cost = Higher profit margin = Happy shareholders = Happy CEO

But she forgot that: Yahoo search = Shit

And then it happened

Really? All this over something that is very easily modified by the user?

Yeah... And what about the 60 millions users lost since 2019? Will Mozilla find someone else to blame?

Where's Jeeves when we need him? I'd ask him but…

Google is starting to yahoo itself. The search is optimized to drive purchases and not actually finding what you want. That and delisting of some sites in the search results. Try finding a direct link to Trump's social media in a private window on Google vs on duckduckgo. Did he just break that gag order? Google doesn't want you to know!

If you have a few bucks, Kagi search is awesome and you can customize domain rankings.

Amazing that people would run away over that. People really are Luddites.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Terms of that deal required that if it were nullified, Verizon had to pay either "the full length of the contract, or alternately, just the difference between Yahoo's $375 million and whatever Mozilla got out of a new partner," ComputerWorld reported.

On top of revenue-sharing with Google, that payment drove up Mozilla's revenue, which in 2019 reflected "an 84 percent year-over-year increase" that was "easily the most the open source developer has booked in a single year, beating the existing record by more than a quarter of billion dollars," ComputerWorld reported.

Perhaps that bonus payment made switching back to Google even more attractive at a time when Baker told the court she "felt strongly that Yahoo was not delivering the search experience we needed and had contracted for."

This user decline wasn't entirely due to the Yahoo deal, Baker said, but Mozilla's takeaway from the experiment was that Firefox "users made it clear that they look for and want and expect Google.” Meanwhile, Google was motivated to renew its Mozilla partnership, as court documents show that Google lost search ad revenue while Yahoo's deal with Firefox was in place.

Baker did not clarify how much Google pays for that deal today, only vaguely estimating that it's “hundreds of millions of dollars” annually, Bloomberg reported.

According to Dyall's thread, Baker also testified that she thought Mozilla might be forced into a "death spiral" if it is stuck partnering with Microsoft for search as an outcome of the trial.

The original article contains 1,008 words, the summary contains 247 words. Saved 75%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

so moz can do browser, mailclient, translate, sync and so much more but they cant do their own search ...to..keep their small market share...and...goole pays well?