Intel doesn’t think that Arm CPUs will make a dent in the laptop market

lol it’s already out there on tens of millions of laptops, but I guess hubris is the way to go

Apple already did though. Even specifically replacing Intel chips because Intel's offering was dogshit that was destroying their ability to offer the design they wanted with their stupid power draw.

The rest of ARM is behind, and Windows has done a shit job of ARM support, but that doesn't mean that's forever.

The problem with ARM laptops is all of the x86 windows software that will never get ARM support and all of the users that will complain about poor performance if an emulator is used to run the x86 software.

Most Linux software already supports ARM natively. I would love to have an ARM laptop as long as it has a decent GPU with good open source drivers. It would need full OpenGL and Vulkan support and not that OpenGL ES crap though.

I love my ARMed Mac because battery life. I almost never use the power cable outside.

This sounds very familiar to when Steve Ballmer wasn’t worried about the iPhone at all.

I hope Risc-V will make it. Even though idk? But it literally has no weird proprietary shit like ARM and it actually makes sense.

Going away from x86_64 is important, even for the environment

I replaced my old Intel Core i7 HP ProLiant server with an Odroid M1 (ARM Based) and it consumes 2 watts compared to 72 that the Intel Server did.

The only thing I can't do with it is my Minecraft server, it runs all else perfectly. Even the Lemmy instance of this account is powered by the same server! And what's more it basically runs for free, as solar generates enough power for the server to consume, even when it's cloudy.

Yes, I believe Intel should be afraid.

Well they should be afraid. I want a ARM Linux laptop as well. Or even better RISC-V! Yes plz.. THE WORLD NEED RISC-V, Yesterday.

I think I remember Intel saying that 64 bit on the desktop was not needed. They are great at making meaningless predictions it seems.

My m1 MacBook Air is hands down the most incredible laptop I've ever owned. I've had it for 3ish years now and it just doesn't fucking stop. Battery life is still amazing and runs just as fast as it did day 1.

I've NEVER had that experience with any Intel/PC laptop, ever. Honestly I'm never going back.

They're of course exaggerating a little and speaking confidently because theyre in the business of selling a product and not in the business of trash talking what they sell or reducing confidence in their product.

That said the M1/M2 silicon battery life gains were a huge leap forward when they first launched but in terms of battery efficiency and power AMD has been nipping at their heels, and in due time intel will likely get it's stuff together and join them. You can already get ryzen laptops efficient enough and cool running enough that the fan is off during most light usage, and they can get hours into the mid to high teens on some models.

Likewise even macs will start to drain quite a bit when say watching an hd video 1.75x speed, or playing a video game, or encoding something using max CPU power. So while the Macs do have a power per watt advantage, you'll still need to be plugged in.

And thats BEST arm vs intel and amd as they catch up. Samsung, google, and qualcom dont really have anything like the m2 at play and while qualcom is rumored to be close the samsung fab'd chips definitely arent.

So as things are the death Intel and AMD has been greatly exaggerated and in part due a combination of the usual apple hype combined with that hype being VERY VERY justified this go around.

Intel is in denial.

Macs are pretty popular

My hope, no... dream, is that we get both ARM and x86 compatible chips on the same motherboard one day. Off course the operating system needs to support dual architectures. Then they could run ARM binaries directly without any major compatibility or performance hit, without the need for recompilation.

A man can only hope. Is this something that could happen? Technically it should be possible, but realistically, probably not.

It's possible this is a result of improvements Intel is planning for their x86 chips. They've already mirrored the efficiency and performance core designs that AFAIK originated in ARM.

In a way, this might be Intel making a prediction based on how years ago Intel launched an x86 replacement, and AMD launched x86-64 ... and AMD won because people didn't want to rebuild all their software/couldn't get their software.

Intel is evidently not paying attention.

Intel planning to abuse its quasi-monopoly to stifle competition and innovation? They wouldn't dare, would they? /s

I wonder if intel is betting on increased centralized cloud computing as the way forward for personal computers. So the efficiency benefits of ARM are irrelevant in their minds since they think the real power will come from big data centers.

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But Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger doesn't seem worried about it yet, as he said on the company's most recent earnings call (via Seeking Alpha).

"Arm and Windows client alternatives, generally, they've been relegated to pretty insignificant roles in the PC business," said Gelsinger.

Ideally, Arm-based PCs promise performance on par with x86 chips from Intel and AMD, but with dramatically better power efficiency that allows for long-lasting battery life and fanless PC designs.

Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon chip for PCs, the 8cx Gen 3 (also called the Microsoft SQ3), appears in two consumer Windows devices.

Even if Gelsinger is wrong, he's trying to spin the rise of Arm PCs as a potentially positive thing, saying that Intel would be happy to manufacture these chips for its competitors.

Right now, TSMC has an effective monopoly on cutting-edge chip manufacturing, making high-end silicon for Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD, Apple, and (tellingly) Intel itself.

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Not if they still suck ass

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I don't understand the comments in this thread, why would anyone want their laptops to act like their mobile devices? They have less privacy and they're harder to control. Am I missing something?