Wayland heading for default as Mint devs add to Cinnamon 6 • The Register
Wayland heading for default as Mint devs add to Cinnamon 6 • The Register
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TLDR: XFCE and Cinnamon devs are begging beginning to work on Wayland support.
The "TLDR" is sub heading is completely misleading. Cinnamon devs see they have to move, that's the reason. "Begging to work" on Wayland is not at all what the article says. Before you downvote, read it. Nothing in that article or the link to one dev's blog says anything even remotely like that.
I suspect it's just an autocorrect typo for "beginning to work".
I like that... I'll take it. Thank you for putting it that way.
Beginning* yep sorry!
As a Debian XFCE user, I will gladly switch to Wayland when it is available.
Good. X11 has not been properly maintained and shouldn’t be the default for any distro. (Xorg, whatever.)
At least the Mint devs are being realistic on the time span needed for Wayland to have a chance at working for everyone, unlike Fedora, KDE, and Gnome that are jumping the gun.
If nobody does that, nobody will be using Wayland to report issues.
Wayland works pretty well, especially on GNOME. It's good they did the jump, X11 poses unacceptable security risks for the current time.
Cinnamon and XFCE are outliers in that they try to be super stable, "complete" desktops, compared to GNOME and KDE that try to be bleeding edge and packed with new and changing features.
Benefits to both, but I can respect why Cinnamon and XFCE have been slow to adopt Wayland (to a fault, many would argue)
I feel like talk about Wayland being the next big thing, “coming soon” began back when I was using Linux as my daily driver over ten years ago.
It’s still not widely used?
It's extremely widely used. It's been the Gnome default (unless you used Nvidia) since 2016 or something.
Even in Debian on Gnome it's been the default since 2019.
On KDE a bunch of distros use it too.
Wayland is the future. But for most it's already the present too.
It's a very slow moving project by design for better or for worse. There also hasn't been a ton of developer interest in the DE space in supporting it until the last few years since it would necessarily take resources away from other work, and generally X has been "good enough" until recently. I don't have anything to back this up but I suspect that the increased accessibility of gaming on Linux as well as HRR and HDR displays entering the mainstream had a lot to do with this renewed interest.
It's still got issues even now, but back then they were big enough that you had to really want to use it, casual users would have become quickly frustrated.
Also Steam.
"Coming soon" for me started when major DEs started abandoning xorg, not when they adopted wayland.
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Keep in mind their time line is like 2 years.
Oh so in about that time Wayland will finally be able to fulfill simple UX expectations like, say, global shortcuts?
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Is that satire? Wayland is pretty great, and there isn't really a concept of "compatible app" as Xwayland handles that.
Obviously apps that perform X functions directly (clipboard managers, screen recorders, etc.) will need to be ported or rewritten, as it's a brand new display manager, but that would be the case with any non-X platform.
devs are begging
Do you mean beginning?
OP: "did I fucking stutter?!"
It could be begging if they're not the ones in control of the steering.
Yup! my bad!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The creators of Linux Mint and the Cinnamon desktop are experimenting with the Wayland protocol – and so is the original developer of Xfce.
Normally, the project's experimental repository, codenamed "Romeo," is private, and code is only opened to the public once it reaches beta test stage.
Cinnamon 6.0, planned for Mint 21.3 this year, will feature experimental Wayland support, but he warns folks not to expect too much at this early stage:
It was the first release that defaulted to the then-new Unity desktop, and at the time, the Reg didn't rate it very highly.
As his new blog reveals, so is Red Hat developer Olivier Fourdan, who has been working on a rootful mode for XWayland.
What is possibly more interesting is that Monsieur Fourdan has a previous claim to fame: he is the original author of the Xfce desktop, which he started building way back in 1996, as he mentions in this 2009 interview.
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How did Mint fuck up year-based version numbering? I did a fresh install on a laptop this year and briefly worried project had died.
It's not actually based on the year. There have been 21 other major releases at various intervals starting with 1.0 in 2006. It just happens to be close to the current year right now.
Wayland has been great on Debian stable after swapping to an AMD graphics card
I've had good experiences with Wayland on nVidia too. KDE has a rock solid Wayland implementation.
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Is is possible to overclock Nvidia cards using Wayland or xwayland?
No idea on the overclocking front I'm afraid.