AOC wrong: More civilians die when we send Israel 'defensive weapons'
AOC wrong: More civilians die when we send Israel 'defensive weapons'
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AOC wrong: More civilians die when we send Israel 'defensive weapons'
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I forget where I heard this analogy, but it's like giving a bulletproof vest to someone on their way to shoot up a school.
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What I love about this picture is if you zoom in you can tell her face couldn't have a more bored expression
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There were over 500 other politicians who endorsed this; but I think she built her brand among those who feel particularly betrayed. And there is also a dose of misogamy, here and there.
But why do people feel so betrayed after older votes and actions should have triggered this much earlier? And will most of this go away soon?
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She became a strikebreaker three years ago. Kshama Sawant: Rail Workers Betrayed By Biden & The “Squad”
AOC justified her vote by claiming she was fighting “tooth and nail” for the additional sick days. Jamaal Bowman claimed he was “always fighting in solidarity with the workers.” But what the Congressional “Progressive” Caucus pulled was a con job, and a hamfisted one at that. They colluded with Pelosi to separate out the vote into two, promising their roughly 100 votes on the rotten TA in exchange for a separate vote on the sick day amendment, which they knew full well would get crushed in the Senate. It took only one day to confirm the brutal reality: that the majority of the “Squad,” in coordination with the leaders of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, sold rail workers down the river while blowing smoke about paid sick days.
On November 30, Democratic Socialists of America’s (DSA) national center posted a statement of support for the rail workers which included this sentence:
“Any member of Congress who votes yes on the tentative agreement is siding with billionaires and forcing a contract on rail workers that does not address their most pressing demand of paid sick days.”
What then of their own members and endorsed elected officials in Congress who voted yes? What this statement implies, and what the actions of the “Squad” definitively prove, is that these elected officials are, and see themselves as, part of the capitalist state, the state that acts for the billionaires and against the interests of the majority, the working class.
A socialist cannot be a strike breaker. This needs to be the end of any pretense by DSA that the “Squad” is socialist, and should result in their expulsion from the organization. Failing that, the Squad’s betrayal of the working class becomes DSA’s betrayal.
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But why do people feel so betrayed after older votes and actions should have triggered this much earlier? And will most of this go away soon?
Many still hope for the magical day when the dems become something that they structurally cant be. They love the idea more than the fact, of what these people represent. Same with Mamdani, tbh. People will be very heartbroken about him soon enough.
Too much "benefit of the doubt" is given, too much projection and power-level hiding cope and "they mean well". They long to be heard and hear screams in whimpers.
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Hatred of marriage?
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We have very few progressive voices in the government, it sucks to have them betray principles we thought they had
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They are politicians and they all get elected based on lies to their base.
AOC didn't even grow up in Bronx and campaigned hard on her being a girl from Bronx. If she was willing to lie about where she grew up, why wouldn't she spout bullshit to appeal to her constituents?
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Wait we have at least one ? A real one?? Where??!
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You know who 'murikkkans despise more than Trump and the Republicans? The weak ass, spineless, do nothing, stand for nothing, fqracking Democratic Party.
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That post was nine days ago… coincidence?
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Incivility? I've never seen that from this user. Nor whining and complaining in lieu of self-validation or self-reflection. In fact, the time we got into a conversation about pogroms, I found them extremely respectful and informative, as well as in good faith.
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The hypocrisy of that instance is stunning.
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Anytime you send weapons to theocracies, people die. Religions are never happy with what they have, because a fictional god gave them the entire world. So they fight, kill, and die for their fictional gods.
NEVER send weapons to theocracies.
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Iran is a theocracy, and I’d send them nukes if I had any.
Religion is less of a factor in state geopolitical decision-making than you think.
It’s just one facet of the superstructure among many.-
many fail to see that even the crusades were never about christianity or the church, they were always about plundering resources.
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The problem with Israel isn't Judaism. Israel doesn't even follow the Halakha. Israel is a racist settler colony most similar to Apartheid South Africa. Without religion you still have politicians in New Zealand attempting to pass racist laws.
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This might destroy you from the inside but Israel is an Atheist state. The only Judaism they believe in is being racially descended from Jews.
https://vridar.org/2017/05/26/we-do-not-believe-in-god-but-he-nonetheless-promised-us-palestine/
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we send tons of weapons to isreal and they're a theocracy.
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AOC is trying to whip up funds for when she runs next election. I'm not too thrilled that she voted against cutting funds for Israel weapons. What was she thinking. So dumb, and felt like a betrayal. And in the time since as many of her allies urged her to own up to what she did to get her support back, she chose not to. So something is keeping her quiet. Usually in the US politics thats money. I'd be curious if anyone else has other theories. I really liked her as a presidential candidate, before this.
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She voted against reduced funding for weapons for Israel because she would have been voting FOR funds for weapons for Israel. If she had the option to eliminate funding of weapons for Israel completely she would have supported that.
Years from now people could look back and say "AOC in 2025 voted to supply Israel with XXX million dollars of weapons while they were in the middle of destroying Gaza, and attacking Syria and Iran."
Would you really vote to supply weapons to Israel at this point in time?
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the amendment is a separate vote from the main bill, she could have voted yes on the amendment and no on the bill. Imagine the allies sending ”defensive” weapons to WWII germany.
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She voted against reduced funding for weapons for Israel because she would have been voting FOR funds for weapons for Israel.
Thats not what I read about what she claimed were her motivations. She said she voted against it because she was in favor of giving them defensive weapons, but not offensive ones. As if the money to buy weapons wasnt easily moved from one to the other. Weapons are weapons.
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Americans democrats act toward democratic politicians like a domestic abuse victims acts toward his abuser.
Yes i know your ex is worse. Yes i know we don't know them like you do. I'm sure they cried after they gave you your third black eyes this month.
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AOC's own statement expressed that she opposed eliminating funding of weapons to Israel.
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Yes, let's make this about the most progressive figure in the conversation, and not the supermajority of conservative bastards who openly want civilians dead.
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Yes because the progressive movement are the ones supposed to not support genocide. If they pretend to represent the left then they will get blasted extra hard for acting like a neo Nazi.
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I care about the most progressive force in the US Senate about as much as I care about the least genocidal Fr*nch soldier in Algiers
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If these are the progressive reformists, then it's probably time to realize that status quo won't change if them or DSA were magically put in charge. They're still part of the ruling class and have their interests, the only way to achieve actual change is via workers themselves organizing and making change happen - that's the actual role of the left, not praying that some kind capitalist candidate brings about change for them (they won't as seen historically).
But at the same time, workers aren't likely to "have enough" and organize on their own, instead opting to keep clinging onto this false hope and keep rallying behind "least bad" option, so the situation is abysmal.
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It's called party discipline. 🙄
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