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This is, at best, misleading. Out of the two highest spending superpowers, choosing a random $100b doesn’t show shit. Why couldn’t you make a good point for taking care of people without playing the “my preferred violent superpower is better than your preferred violent superpower” game? Neither state is working for the betterment of its people over its own interests.
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How many wars has China gotten into since the end of its civil war? How many places has the US invaded since then?
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A few honestly, the Korean War, Sino-Soviet border clashes, the invasion of Vietnam, troops in Cambodia to help them fight Vietnam, the first and second Taiwanese Strait Crisis, the invasion of Tibet, the Sino-Indian War, and technically as a part of the UN Security council they have troops fighting in Mali against ISIS currently.
But I understand the point you are making and I'm not trying to discredit it, just wanted to give some context.
Those conflicts are also nothing compared to the terror the US has committed.
I guess a better question would be "how many civilians has China killed in warfare compared to the US since the 1940s"
We would be talking tens of thousands versus tens of millions
Absolutely, the terror of the United States far outstrips whatever the Chinese have done.
But to simply act like China hasn't been in a war since its Civil War seems disingenuous.
But so is praising china, seemingly just to take a dig at the US. CIRITICIZE BOTH. They’re both brutal power-hungry states. They can both be wrong.
Lmao. No.
Nothing modern China has ever done in its history could ever come close to the 1 million Iraqi deaths alone.
You just wanna hate China lmao.
No, I just think ignoring what china has done wrong because of what people with your same political alliances say is fucking stupid. Communists are problematic that way. This thread is beyond enough proof. Both states are brutal and power hungry. They’re fucking world superpowers. If you can’t admit that the state you happen to like is ALSO guilty of wrongdoing…well, I’m not the one that needs to change my tune.
Both states are brutal and power hungry.
Citation needed again
If you can’t admit that the state you happen to like is ALSO guilty of wrongdoing…well, I’m not the one that needs to change my tune.
Why do I need to? The people in China don't believe the CPC are "guilty of wrongdoing" with a 90% approval rate. They're proving to be a force of good in the world, and whatever "wrongdoing" you believe China is doing is because the US government wants you to believe it. Now why you'd want to believe what the world's biggest lying police state would say about anything, is beyond me
You need proof a modern state—and one that is competing with the likes of the brutally capitalist US in the global market—(not to mention one that has a government enabling one person to rule indefinitely, one that is violently enforcing its will on territories it wants to (re-)exert control over, one that is well-known for restricting media and speech)—has other goals than “making sure our people are happy and satisfied?” How delusional are you?
Why do I need to?
Lol wow. I guess more delusional than I was expecting. You know China has its own leftists that very much disagree with you…right? Like, you’re a western e-communist that you’re swallowing the party line so hard you’d be considered right-wing by the actual Chinese leftists. Like, they criticize the state for not being communist…while you’re over here idolizing them because you think you need to in order to “belong” as a communist. Ironic.
You can only view them as some fetishized version of what you don’t have. Like I said, you all never grew out of that stage we all went through when we first got radicalized (or at least I went through, at like 13 years old), where the complexity of the thinking is no more than, “i hate my government, they’re wrong…so anything that ALSO doesn’t like my government MUST be right!” Like, that Venn diagram has SOME overlap, but not 100%. And it’s so obvious when someone can’t differentiate. And that’s what I see in so many “communists” I talk to here.
They're proving to be a force of good in the world, and whatever "wrongdoing" you believe China is doing is because the US government wants you to believe it. Now why you'd want to believe what the world's biggest lying police state would say about anything, is beyond me
…how can you be so naive? You really can’t see past the binary of “pro-US/pro-china” that you can’t conceive of me, an anarchist who doesn’t think that
(let me make sure you hear this, this time):
EITHER FUCKING STATE IS IN THE RIGHT.
How can you discount the accounts of those who were IN Hong Kong, reporting exactly what was happening when the brutal Chinese state was…brutalizing them? Because you love a brutal state THAT much that you’re going to claim it’s wEsTErN PrOpaGaNDa? Defending china by calling the US a police state is some rich, rich irony.
BOTH HAVE BRUTAL POLICE FORCES THAT ENFORCE THE STATE’S VERSION OF THE STATUS QUO. We both obviously agree that is true in the US…but you’re blind to that being a fact of the Chinese state as well because you CLEARLY have a massive blind spot in order to more neatly arrange/understand your own beliefs.
But I’m wasting my time explaining this to you, I’m sure. Blind spots are called blind spots for a reason.
Fair context. Invaded is a better word. But also the number of "interventions" by the US military would simply dwarf anything China has done, anyway.
You guys are all missing the point of what’s being said. No one is praising the US. The US, as stated, is a violent, colonizing superpower. But…so is china. What is it with communists that you guys can’t accept that your preferred states are still brutal governments? Western communists never move past the “well, I have to escape the WESTERN propaganda machine!” thinking. You just start swallowing the opposing brutal state’s propaganda output.
It’s never just “the US is evil.” Which would be completely acceptable. It’s always, “the US is evil, china is the model!” What. It’s indicative of the state of online political education for our generation(s). Contrarianism is the name of the game. “Well, I’m not on this side, so I HAVE to be on that side.” No, you can call out brutal states, even if they call their party communist. But you all do love the state. As long as it isn’t that state.
But…so is china.
Source needed
What is it with communists that you guys can’t accept that your preferred states are still brutal governments?
What is it with liberals and not accepting that there are people who don't believe what the biggest liar in the world says about governments they don't like?
Western communists never move past the “well, I have to escape the WESTERN propaganda machine!” thinking.
Lmfao I wish Western communists would actually do this, but even if they did like you claim...imagine thinking this is a bad thing
Everything else you said is just whiny lib bullshit.
How can you be aware of the slant that western media has against communism... but believe in everything they say about communist countries anyway? Do you even know what communism is?
Neither state is working for the betterment of its people over its own interests.
What the fuck kind of sentence is this?
First off, China has consistently been working to the betterment of its people year over year for the past 70 years. In 1950, the people of China were the poorest in the world after having been completely exploited by Europe to the tune of 60% of people being addicted to opium sold by Europe after Europe sacked Beijing to force them to allow Europe to sell drugs without interference. Now the people of China have a better purchasing power parity than the people in the US. In only 70 years! Educational outcomes and health outcomes have been getting better for everyone in China, including ethnic minorities, and China runs the world's largest system of ethnic autonomous regions where people speak their native language in all levels of schooling and their culture thrives.
The USA can barely educate and house it's white people. Large ethnic minorities are ghettoized. The native peoples are experiencing slow genocide after the fast genocide. Native langauges and cultures are barely limping along, many at risk of extinction. Deaths of poverty and deaths of despair run rampant.
The government in China enjoys a 95.5% approval rating. This is according to Harvard who spent 15 years researching it. The US has never seen those kinds of numbers.
And finally, the US spends more on its military than the next 10 nations combined! If you take China's military spend, and Russia's, and combine them, you still need 8 more countries to match the US spending.
As it turns out, China is absolutely, beyond the shadow of a doubt working in the interest of its people. And, when you have a functioning state, that means it's also working in the interest of the state. The interest of the state and of the Chinese people are the same. The interests of the people living on Turtle Island (native, descendants of slaves, and settlers) are absolutely not the interests of the state. None of the European settler states are working in the interest of the people living in their borders. Because that's how bourgeois democracies are organized.
This isn't misleading in any way. We can look at a bigger context here and it only gets worse. US has been continuously at war for 225 years out of 243 years of its deplorable existence, and US military budget is bigger than next 10 countries combined.
Meanwhile, China hasn't been at war since the 70s, and it continuously invests in helping countries in the Global South develop their infrastructure developing win-win relationships. China has lifted over 800 million people out of poverty, and the standard of living in China improves with each and every decade.
One has to be an utter ignoramus to think that China isn't working for the betterment of its people. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself, but you're too ignorant to realize it.
