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Ukraine war: Kyiv claims first victories of counter-offensive - BBC News

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Ukraine war: Kyiv claims more villages retaken but picture mixed - BBC News

Ukraine says it has liberated four villages in the south-east, calling these the first settlements won back from Russia since Kyiv's counter-offensive began
On Monday morning, officials reported that "the national flag is once again waving" over Storozhove, in the Donetsk region
A day earlier, footage showed Ukrainian troops celebrating in Blahodatne and Neskuchne - and a minister said nearby Makarivka was also taken
The settlements are relatively small - and Moscow is yet to confirm any retreat
The Institute for the Study of War backs up Kyiv's claims, saying Ukraine captured "multiple settlements" along the frontline over the weekend
On Saturday, President Zelensky acknowledged that the long-awaited counter-offensive was under way

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Slava Ukraïni!
- Banderite slogan. https://www.dw.com/en/new-glory-to-ukraine-army-chant-invokes-nationalist-past/a-45215538
  
  How dare someone be proud of a country and want them to be victorious against invaders!
- Heroyam slava!
- Quit reddit behavior please. This adds nothing and is not at all useful.
  
  I'm just expressing my hope they will succeed and liberate many more villages and cities, in the most succint way possible. And they will succeed.
- Just things fascists say while they murder Poles and Jews.
  
  you're super and are loved... No need to be the token edgemaster 5000 here.
ITT: Russian sympathisers coping
It's good news; though, nothing spectacular like the earlier offensive. It's to be expected though, the muscovites have had time to build up those defences.
- Hopefully the exodus from Reddit will help drown out the authoritarian-worship here.
  Yes, my Russian-sympathizing friends. You can certainly classify the actions of Russia and China as imperialist & bad too, and it will not detract from the imperialist & bad stuff the US or "the West" has done. Most humans can walk and chew gum at the same time, you can too!
  Edit: My first downvote here! Looks like there are indeed some people who can't walk and chew gum at the same time :P
  
  Muh both sides!
  What do you understand the word "Imperialist" to mean?
- It's shit like this that makes this one of the hardest wars to follow. Before that, it was Syria.
  The Russian commanders, who were wrong to invade, have learned a lot since the initial invasion. It's the same reason that Assads army was much better after they lost a lot of their soldiers. When you have a lot of your army die, on average, the ones remaining are the ones who managed to stay alive who, again on average, are now much more experienced combat troops.
  The Russians did exactly what Ukraine did during the Russian offensive. They pulled back behind their minefields, and then used artillery to drop more mines on the assaulting force that was in the process of clearing mines. This was the same tactic that the Ukrainians used to great success that caused a bunch of Russian tanks to be blown up in columns in Vulhedar.
  Remember, good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. If the basis of your view of why you think a given side is losing is because you don't like them, then you aren't actually interested in the war. Just in cheerleading your team.
  Honestly, I can't understand the strategic goal of how the Ukrainians are running this particular offensive. It truly seems to be to spend as much Ukrainian blood to secure western financial and logistical support. Not to actually gain territory they can hold. At least, that's my best guess with articles like this in the American media: Politico
- you know it's possible to 'dislike' Russia and at the same time know that they will completely overpower Ukraine, right? you're letting your hatred for Russia blind your understanding of military power and strategy
  
  Anyone that "knows" they will completely overpower Ukraine apparently stopped paying attention to reality many years ago. They've been proven to be incapable of it.
- The "Muscovites"?
  
  Russians, without any double meanings that Russian sympathizers could jump in and say "aha, racists!" or "aha, russophobes!" over.
- The only coping here is coming from people who think that the fact that Ukraine hasn't even reached the first line of defence in over a week is some kind of a stunning success. To give people some perspective, here's what western media said Ukraine would have to achieve in the first day in order to succeed https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-attack-bakhmut-himars/
Ukraine doesn't really win anything. This is the third Army they are wasting. Too bad for the Ukrainian conscripts.
- Third army? Did the other two go somewhere?
- correct, they have reconstituted themselves twice over and there's hardly any elements left of their prewar jäger, mountain, airborne etc. divisions.
I understand this is a positive news in the first week of the counter offensive, but to me - it makes me feel depressed.
It makes me look at the size of Ukraine and the occupied areas. There are thousands or probably ten thousands of occupied settlements and villages. Reporting 5 of e.g. 18.000 liberated... it is positive, it is a news, it makes me depressed looking at the scaled of what lies ahead in this war to get Russia out of Ukraine.
The thing I am hoping for and expecting, that this is not a continuous speed. In the past, we have seen Russian lines disintegrate, troops flee in civilian clothing and the front lines moved tens of kilometers within a single day.
- Hopefully russia crumbles from within. They are doing everything possible to show that this is a battle between "good" and "evil" - the destructin of cities, kidnapping children, rape, castration, civilian deaths from distance and in person.
  
  This will not happen. The reason that you think that is due to the fact that this is the most propagandized wars I've ever seen from personal experience. That heavy amount of propaganda is flowing both ways.
  Basically, everything you just described is the natural consequence of war. That's not excusing the Russians, but acknowledging that there are always examples of everything on that list on both sides in basically any war. It doesn't matter if one side causes much more of those things than the other side when it comes to propaganda. All that matters is that both sides have done it. Then, the Russians use that to make their own propaganda. Which they've done. The Russian population honestly also believes that this is a war of good vs evil, too. To be clear, I'm not saying that it is, just that the Russian population, fed Russian propaganda, believe in this war.
  The end result of all of the above words is that the unrest in Russia at this point is due to Russians being unhappy that Putin isn't more aggressive. If Putin is replaced in a coup, the person that replaced him will be more aggressive against Ukraine, not less.
Today our troops captured a two-room apartment with kitchen, toilet, and bathroom. They have succeeded in retaining two-thirds of it despite fierce counterattacks by the enemy.
- You might have the wrong city. Mr prigo was originally hailing those successes in bakhmut.
An area amounting to about 6 km by 6 km. Still an excuse for cheerleading and manufacturing consent for escalation. One of the villages is like 6 houses.
- It's funny how with certain folks its always the fighting back that's the escalation, never the original aggression...
  
  Oh yeah the original aggression. Which one?
  
  never the original aggression…
  Ah the Maidan Coup, ya the Ukrainians shouldn't have done that, you're right
- I guarantee you it means something to the residents of those six houses.
  It's easy to lose track of individual humanity at the scale of a war, but this victory is the one these people will always most remember when they think of the tide turning. Their lives are worth something.
  
  Doesn't change the fact the the suMmEr OfFensIVe is going horribly lol
  Real life is not like the movies
Ukraine doesn’t really win anything. This is the third Army they are wasting. Too bad for the Ukrainian conscripts.
- Bunch of Redditors hete getting stoked for this war to be down to the last Ukrainian.
  
  I can't wait for the "blackout" to end so they can go back to huffing cope and baying for blood on r/ukraine again
Now we see Schrodingers offensive has resolved itself- any success means the offensive is now happening for real and however meek the victories they will be inflated to an appropriate size. I'm sure the Western news and the redditors that lap it up will be just as excited when the offensive grinds to a halt and these villages are retaken
Loving how the liberals have to leave their shitty site to migrate over here. Whats wrong with reddit?
it literally took 1 day for the cia and nafo freaks to overrun lemmy world news..
- TIL iam a CIA freak
- Maybe you're just discovering what the median opinion of the mainstream public looks like?
  
  I don't think the person you're responding to has the capacity to realize anything except their own delusions
- People that call themselves communists but support Putin make me sick.
  
  Nice straw man, nobody actually says that.

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