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One of the Dreamliners That Gave a Boeing Manager Nightmares Just Crashed

Years earlier, she had asked a boss if he would let his children fly on a plane with the litany of flaws and non-conformances he was urging her to “pencil-whip”: “Cindy, none of these planes are staying in America, they’re all going overseas,” he retorted, much to her horror.

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Boeing's gonna Boeing
- Boeing…Boeing…Gone!
- Boeing: the sound a plane makes when it hits the ground
  
  or when the front falls off midflight.
- Too early to make assumptions.
  
  You know why the 2008 financial crisis happened? Banks sold assets under the assumption that their credit rating was intact.
  Sure, I would afford Airbus every benefit of a doubt, but sorry, Boeing is building a track record which none of us should ignore. My speculation is warranted.
  
  only if you deliberately bury your head at evidence or on Boeing payroll.
Sounds like the planes Boeing sent to India had foreign object debris rattling around inside conduits.
That’s a ticking time bomb for random electrical failures, such as both engines shutting down right after takeoff.
- If it was from electrical failure, it'd be more likely to happen in the pilot's thrust control than simultaneously in both engines. But usually if both engines fail after take off....my money is on fuel system failure.
A rich executive put the lives of others below penny pinching profits?
I'm shook. 🫩
I recently had the privilege of cleaning up code by a big India out sourcing company. The code quality was some of the worst I have seen in my 30 years of programming. Then I found [this article] (https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/article/22027840/boeings-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers) about the same company writing code for Boeing.
- that was a horrifying read as a software engineer but also as an Indian.
  
  The company I work for did end up hiring many of the temp engineers from the company in that article, and the ones hired are some great coworkers, but there were many we didn’t hire.
I am genuinely curious why on Earth airline companies are still buying Boeing planes. The last 5-10 crashes all included their planes and it is a mystery why their shares didn't tank more.
- Because the stock market is a fucking scam.
  
  It's gambling for the rich and people who want to be rich.
  
  I mean, yes, but what does that have to do with their question?
- Because what are you gonna do? Not fly?
  
  Use an airbus
  
  Yes, that would be the sensible thing to do. Too bad that people are not sensible.
  
  Introducing Space X expedited flights from Florida to anywhere in the world... Remote pickup not included in conflict regions.
- Airbus has a backlog of 8000 jets. Order one today and it will take a decade before it arrives. So airliners basically have to keep their current fleet flying.
- Planes they already have can't really be grounded immediately without replacements. Buying replacements takes time and money. Negotiating contracts also takes time. Pre existing contracts tying a company to boeing probably exist in some places. There's probably some incentive to not drop a somewhat strategic business on a whim. And maybe some people believe that boeing will start pulling their head out of their ass at some point.
  And all that would be a hindrance assuming there is a will to stop buying boeing planes, AND move to another, potentially foreign business like Airbus.
- they probably already bought too many of Boeing planes before these accidents happened. So what are they gonna do, put a bunch of Boeing planes in the back room and use Airbus? Still when i fly, I avoid Boeing like a plague. The problem is there are very limited Airbus flights for my route.
- Organisational inertia. Planes are expensive, and getting them and qualified personnel to fly and maintain them is a long and complicated process for the airline companies (and the governments supporting the airlines).
  They get the news about Boeing being crap, but they can't just reverse a decision in one day, because the decision to go with Boeing was made years or decades ago.
  
  The real reason is that airlines don’t want a monopoly where there’s only one relevant manufacturer that can dictate airframe prices to them. That’s why you will see almost every airline trying to at least somewhat balance the scales between Airbus and Boeing.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfA2p6Em7bI
  
  Who’s downvoting this? It’s hilarious!
Boeing is run too much by Wall Street.
- Black Rock basically owns the entire stock market. Even the best intentioned companies eventually have to cave to fiduciary duty to shareholders.
  
  Black Rock owns absolutely fuck-all. It only manages the 401ks of normal people like you and me, and STOLE OUR SHAREHOLDER VOTING RIGHTS.
  
  No, it really doesn't. Assets under management (not owned) 11.5 trillion, while the American stock market alone is worth around 50.
  
  That's why going public is a sign the owners no longer care about the business and only care about fleecing us as much as possible.
- What capitalist giant corp isn't?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_private_non-governmental_companies_by_revenue
  Including such recognizable names as Aldi, State Farm, Deloitte, Ingram Micro, and Ikea.
Boeing is straight fucking scum, but that was the strangest plane crash I've ever seen. (LOL, like I'm an export.) The truth will out.
- i've seen one, where the plane stalled after taking off and then kinda went backwards, then dove frontal again. if i remember correctly, unsecured cargo was suspected. it fell like a leaf.
  found it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/may/01/747-cargo-plane-crash-bagram-airbase-video
  
  I remember that, if I remember correctly, it was a tank, and they suddenly had a massive CoG shift to the back of the aircraft, causing the plane to pitch up and stall.
  
  That is crazy, it looked like CGI.
  
  Thanks for sharing this.
  Aside from the promotional material in the video, it's nice to see something that shows the raw footage instead of some talking heads babbling over an edited cut.
- Yeah.... The article is conflating power failure with engine failure. It was a very odd plane crash, and it didn't appear that they had power failure. It looks like they lost thrust on both engines, which is really rare in multiengine aircraft.
  
  It seemed to take forever to start to rotate and the nose was pointed up the whole time. I would have expected to see the nose point down to prevent a stall.
- Yep, another Boeing mystery crash where everything stopped working at once.
  I'm kinda suspicious that the critical moments weren't actually missing from Jeju Air's black boxes when they were delivered to the US.
  
  The 787 has backup power for black boxes while the 737 uses an outdated design that does not, so there shouldn't be missing data hopefully.

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