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Gillibrand Announces Legislation To Ban Distribution Of Blueprints For 3D Printed Firearms And Curb Epidemic Of “Ghost Guns” - Kirsten Gillibrand | U.S. Senator for New York

www.gillibrand.senate.gov

I have to wonder how New York plans to police the entire internet. This would appear to enforce a law that only those who weren't going to "break" such a law are going to follow anyway.

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You going to outlaw lathes and mills as well, Kirsten? Of course not, because this is just a pointless stunt, as usual.
Look lady if you want people to have access to weapons as guaranteed by the second amendment the number one roadblock are weapons manufacturers who have used their monopoly on production to make firearms a luxury item. "Ghost guns" are a democratization of self defense and, in a time of rising fascism, to stand on a soap box and say "I want arms even harder to aquire" is active disenfranchisement of the working class who will have to fight their way out of this without the support of their military.
The middle class should be mass producing this stuff right now on clandestine supply chains and distributing them to various cells across the country. Anyone with access to a 3d printer should be getting as much of this stuff out as possible before this even gets a vote. Pass around schematics on flash drives like its cod3 in your computer class in high school. We need to be organized now more than ever, they are showing a unified front against workers and this is just one step towards absolute censorship and surveillance. Take them at their word when they tell you who they are. If Luigi is the enemy here then let me tell you: you're not on their side.
- Pass around schematics on flash drives like its cod3 in your computer class in high school.
  Why would you infest your fellow classmates with that Treyarch nonsense? Give them CoD2 or CoD4MW like a good Infinity Ward fan.
  (This take on Treyarch/Infinity Ward brought to you by the year 2008 or so, when I last cared about it. 😅)
  In my class it was Unreal Tournament. Or a version of the open source Cube 2 where I had replaced all gun models with fists and rockets with couches so our teacher couldn’t complain about us shooting one another. 🤣
Huh? This is from July 2023. There have been many of these proposed before, and possibly a few since. Looks like you need a license to distribute files these days anyway.
I spent a few years designing 3D printed guns for fun, none of them were effective or well known, and I never manufactured any myself. I did that that as a teenager, before there were laws, and it's what got me into engineering before I pursued a degree. This was pretty early on in hobbyist 3D printing, it was all super experimental. Ultimately, 3D printing is just one method of manufacturing - there are many out there, and honestly the barrier of entry is low regardless of what method you choose. If someone has the skills to run a 3D printer, they can buy the hardware store components to make a gun regardless.
The better bet for legislation would be to more comprehensively ban unlicensed manufacturing, whatever the method, and more strictly regulate which parts may be bought unlicensed (barrels, trigger assembly, magazine, etc). On a personal note, I think it's too deeply engrained in American culture to shift anyway, but I hope we keep trying to change the world for the better l (stricter background checks, more stringent home safety requirements, etc.)
where does one get ghost gun STLs anyway? Thingiverse? Etsy?
Asking for a friend
- let me google it for you:
  https://defcad.com/
  https://3dgunbuilder.com/3d-printed-guns/
- Fully 3D printed guns are nonsense, at least of you are using an FDM or resin printer. Filaments and resins are just not tough enough to take the pressure and even when using tiny bullets combined with extremely short barrels to reduce the pressure (which will make the shot extremely weak) it's a 50:50 chance on each shot to blow up the gun.
  And if you have access to a €50k metal SLS printer, you likely have access to much cheaper tools for conventional gun building.
  What is a thing though is combining conventional gun building (for the barrel and the other main components) with FDM/resin printing (for things like the handle grips) to remove the need for skills like woodworking.
  And yes, the STLs for that are just a google search away.
- There are firearms related .stl's that can be found, but they are accessories rather than the actual parts that make a firearm function. But there are forums that do discuss and build 3D printed firearms that can be found with some searching.
  I've done a couple of designs, shims for a Winchester SX4 shotgun to fit several guns to their owners for target shooting and hunting. And an easy loader for my P365XL. That 12 round double stack single feed clown car of a magazine is hard to load without it. But I haven't bothered to publish either design and I have never wanted to either.
- https://defcad.com/
Bringing this bill now into a conservative majority, as thin as it might be, is a death sentence. I really hope this isnt the death rattle of a political party
Just to add: NY state has been a great testing ground for new federal regulations, just as an example the Computer Fraud and Abuse act of 1986
- This press release is from 2023. Not sure why it was posted like it was news.
- This happens all the time. The party out of the majority proposes moon-shot legislation knowing that it won't pass. Because they get to go home and complain about the bad (insert party name here)s who blocked the, probably unconstitutional, bill that they proposed. Then beg for donations so they can get a seat on an important committee.
lmao, 1a
take a PVC pipe of the appropriate diameter for the cartridge in question, nail, and hammer. glhf
- Congtrats! you just made a pipe bomb! And one that isn't as good as a steel pipe You do understand that PVC pipe would not be able to contain the pressure of even the most anemic cartridge don't you? Even a 1" schedule 80 PVC can only contain up to 520PSI @ 73F. Modern Cartridges easily generate 12,500PSI for a light shotgun target load of birdshot.
  
  oops, did i do that ><
Many people here seem to misunderstand how a law like that will be used.
Police will not go knocking on doors trying to find out whether you downloaded a gun STL.
What they will do is (a) take down anyone advertising or publically speaking about the fact that they DIY guns with 3D printed parts and (b) if they catch someone who is also making guns they have one more thing to prosecute that one for.
And yes, known file hashes will also be blacklisted on places like Google Drive and secret services/police will get automatic notifications if someone uploads any of these known files to a service like that.
- I have designed several 3D printed firearms related items.
  I designed and printed shims for my Winchester SX4 shotgun, (Winchester claimed they couldn't design them and make them work), and I uploaded the .stls for the set so other shooters could make their guns fit better so they could hit targets better.
  I also designed a 3D printed EZLoader for a SIG P365 pistol. Those 12 round double stack single feed magazines are nearly impossible to load without one. And I felt the commercial ones that cost $40 or more were too expensive. So I designed something simpler and cheaper you can make at home for yourself.
  These designs came about because I discussed problems with other shooters on several different shooting forums. Does that make me a criminal? While neither of my designs are anything like a Glock switch, no one knows just how far the law could be stretched if wanted. And one thing everyone knows is just how ignorant police are about laws. Not to mention just how impossible it would be for the state of New York to police the entire internet in search of such files and discussions. They can't even stop you from downloading a pirated copy of your favorite video game. This proposed law is more feel good theater than anything that can be considered effective.
  And if what I could do with my 3D printer scares people, just imagine what I can do with my metal lathe, mill, and welders.........
  
  Let me be clear: I wasn't arguing for the law, only explaining how it will be likely used.
  Depending on the exact content of the law and the first few precedences in court, what you are doing might or might not qualify.
  Since you seem to only make attachments/utilities for commercial guns, it would be likely that that kind of activity is not covered by the law. Your guns are no "ghost guns", they are commercial guns, legally purchased from a seller, with a registration number and everything. (I guess you purchased them legally.)
  The gun is specifically targeting "ghost guns" that are created "at home" without registration numbers and stuff, so I don't think that applies to you.
  But who knows how exactly this is going to be applied.
  Banning 3D printers for the purposes of stopping ghost guns is stupid, for the exact reason you named (lathe, mill, welders, ...), especially because all of these tools are used for all sorts of stuff and creating guns isn't their main purpose. The same cannot be said for the design files, no matter whether they are for a 3D printer, CNC machines or just a manual on how to build a gun the conventional way. The purpose of such design files is to create a gun, and that can be made illegal.
  Whether it should or whether it would even help to stop ghost guns is another story.

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