A Very Normal Interaction

I'm confused, why not just refund her and be done with it? Then again, it's possible they offered but the customer was still angry they didn't have something.

I know a university professor who has had this kind of interaction with a student who claimed that they had graded an exam wrongly because ChatGPT gave a different answer. The STUDENT called the PROFESSOR a liar because AI gave a different answer...
- When I was in school I called my teachers liars/misinformed/uninformed all the time. I just didn't have chatgpt to summarize why, so I actually had to read a book if I wanted to make that claim and back it up. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with your professor, you shouldn't trust anything that anyone says blindly, ESPECIALLY FUCKING CHATGPT
  
  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with your professor using credible sources
- Oh boy. Ohhhhhh boy.

And now their site is down.
- No it isn't. I just checked and it loaded fine.
  
  Sure, but what does ChatGPT say?
  
  FYI, the passage of time means both things can be true.
  
  It's still not loading for me.

Solution is simple. Since she doesn't seem to think that AIs hallucinate, just tell her to have an AI generate the maps she needs.

Reminds me of a cartoon of two guys in a bar and one says, "Oh yeah, like you know more than the Internet!"
- At one point that was a true statement.

Ha! Humanity is cooked, not because the AI will take over, but because we'll just hand it control 🙄
- Humanity isn't fucked. Some people are fucked. Imagine she asked an human agent to purchase it for her, and she blindly believing the agent.
  
  She would at least blame the human instead of site owner.
- We already have.
  Social media algorithms are already determined elections and have made Gen Z the first generation to get more conservative than the previous one.
- The key constant with humanity is stupidity. Forever and always people are dumb af.
  
  Anyone else been supremely disappointed in their species most of their lives?
- There was a '90s Outer Limits episode called "Stream of Consciousness" about where we're headed...
- Then we're double cooked because AI is dumb because we created it.
  
  It's dumb and a hundredthousand times faster at being dumb. It combines the dumbness of aeons of human stupidity.

This isn't an AI problem. This is a "most humans are assholes" problem. How hard is it to say "Oh, you don't have what I need? That's too bad. Can you please cancel my subscription?"
- I just can't understand why it got to the point of her sending screenshots. Is this the guy not giving a refund or does this person think that he's lying and she wants the map he's "hiding".
  I'd assume it's the idiot sending ChatGPT screenshots.
  
  The person complaining thinks the proprietor is scamming people, and (apparently) ChatGPT, by falsely advertising what products are available.
  Idiot: You lied about your product! MapGuy: Where did you see that (on my website)? Idiot: ChatGPT screenshot
- It's an AI problem. We know people are stupid. However, people selling AI garbage tell them it's intelligent, when it really isn't. It is trained to speak confidently and people believe it. It's why con(fidence) men work.
  The people pushing these products know some people won't understand it, and they know they'll take what it says at face value, and they fight to push this idea too. They are creating this situation on purpose. If they were responsible they'd be very forward with the limitations and try to ensure even the most gullible of people are skeptical of what it writes. They don't even try to do this though. They create a situation where this happens to pad their own pockets.
  
  So if there was no ai this idiot would not be an idiot to others? Not like that
- It’s absolutely an AI problem and it’s an asshole problem. It’s an asshole problem exacerbated by shitty AI.
  
  Before it was via search engines.
  I was working support for a multinational tech company, customer: "I searched for your support number and I rang them and they scammed me, you guys are shit".
  Turns out they clicked on the top result that was SEO'd to shit to catch these types of people that can't think for themselves.
  So not just assholes, but also tech illiterate folks that trust the first thing they read.
  
  Its really not. The same thing happened before with Google ads.
- It’s both. People are misusing AI at the encouragement of companies who want to sell it.
  What people want is factually correct information. AI doesn’t deliver this, what it delivers is competently presented and easily understood words which may or may not be correct.
  Unfortunately, many people don’t understand how AI works so they don’t realize that they’re using the wrong tool for what they want to accomplish.
  The reason AI is part of the problem is that it contributes to the spread of misinformation.
  
  I just wish there was a right tool, because I don't feel traditional search is it either after the era of SEO maximization. IMO, part of why AI search is popular is because traditional search has degraded so much.
- Global corruption and corporate greed mostly. Organizations that have credibility are cashing in on it now, suddenly ok with systems that can and often are confidently wrong. Normies have a hell of a time tuning their expectations and little is being done to temper them. This is accelerating.
- This is a fucking corporation and capitalism problem where these corpos have to convince people that llms can provide factual information when they absolutely cannot be trusted to do this.
  
  Are there corporations actively trying to convince people AI text generators are accurate? The only thing i have seen a corporation say anything about the programs accuracy was the tiny text for the web version of chatgpt that suggests people verify the output that people ignore
  They are obviously not trying to stop people from thinking AI is right always, but are they trying to convince them of that?
- Exactly. This is anti AI slop.
  
  AI is slop. This is about how a grand averaging machine can mislead people and harm your valid business/reputation/etc

Fuck AI, but also... A subscription for maps?
Edit: to clarify, my then-precaffeinated brain thought this meant for a single map at a time (like a PDF), not something that gets continuously updated
- If you want a bunch of data no one else has, you’re entitled to charge for it. From looking at their site, they’re a historical/statistical map provider which is data that you won’t find through Google/Apple/OSM’s public data.
  
  Another modern example, back country and overlanding routes. There's a decent amount of work and danger that goes into it, and not enough public interest for the big dogs to warrant mapping out the paths-less-traveled.
  I get GPX routes and roll maps from TAT and BDR because these trails are not even on OpenStreetMaps.
  
  Worth noting that OpenHistoricalMap does exist: https://www.openhistoricalmap.org/
  Entirely plausible and even probable, though, that a commercial site has more historical map data than OHM does.
  
  Yes, there's some old stuff archived out there for free, but it's very limited and hit or miss. People who have collected a decent digital archive of things you would have found in a library decades ago deserve to make some money for their service.
- Not really a new thing. Before GPS was in everyone's pocket, you had to get specialized devices. The companies that made those generally gave you 1 free World Map download (or in some cases only your region for free), but future updates or expansions to it would cost a non-trivial amount.
  I'm honestly surprised that one of the big players hasn't tried to offer some sort of premium map subscription now that I think about it, though.
  ETA: also, physical maps and atlases could be purchased on subscriptions through mail-in stuffs before the internet
  
  one of the big players hasn't tried to offer some sort of premium map subscription
  Would we have to lose these great features?
  
  Mapquest was revolutionary for offering free driving directions where previously that cost money and was usually only worth paying for on major road trips. Google took that and supercharged it by offering free directions on your phone, joining a growing list of products where they took something that used to cost money and offering it for “free” in exchange for all your information.
- Yeah fuck that! They should instead provide the maps for free but inject ads into them. Looking for the kingdom of Ma-i? Well now it's right next to the Sultanate of Squarespace.

I remember reading about the same thing with authors being given as sources for papers they never wrote.
- Back in 2001 when Jerry Springer hosted The Daily Show on TNT we never had issues with information being inaccurate.

you post with that title because it's sarcastic.. for now.
i'd say 'god help us', but i'm sure he left the chat a long, long time ago
- At the very least he's away on business.

Tangential, but this guys paid map subscription service doesn't have a way to check if it has the map you need before you pay for it??
- How do you assume that from the post?
- Of course it does, you just ask chatgpt...

Good thing she isn't a lawyer.