Get rid of the guy
Get rid of the guy
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this has been my entire argument since 2016
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It's even worse when they downplay it and act like nothing's wrong.
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Isn't he democratically elected winning both the electoral college and the popular vote? Democracy is not a guarantee that you will get the best or most qualified leader, just the most popular.
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He came out in public and said he rigged the election with help from some powerful friends. He literally admitted to it, a week after being sworn in but just like always, no one ever does anything about it.
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Saying Trump won the popular vote sounds a lot different than saying he won 49% to 48%.
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These are the silky arguments that no one needs. Hr did ein the popular vote, of all the votes. No one is talking about turn out.
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Getting kind of tired of people pretending the results are legitimate. We know they are not. The election was massively tampered with.
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I do think an independent audit by the UN is warranted. Perhaps the next elections should have the UN monitoring it though the US would sooner leave the UN than allow that.
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They have to uphold the constitution and the rule of law!
Do you think they just get elected and then do whatever they want? That's not the US, not until this idiocy.
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a lot of people myself believe that democrats at this point are as much part of the problem, they do what the lobbyist and ultrarich want and totally ignore the voters.
so why fight half the country to only replace trump with a scum like schumer ?
if dnc was worth voting for then trump would never got elected. instead we have gotten lesser evil junk from them for 3 election in a row, the lesser evil that shamelessly funded a genocide when people have been struggling to buy groceries.
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From over 100 years ago. Humans never really seem to change all that much.
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And they continue to be relevant.
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Even if we accept that voting third party is futile we then need to accept that the democratic party leadership needs to be completely purged. But any criticism of the leadership then gets met with "why do you support Trump?".
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There are lots of threads that make up this tapestry of shit.
- Aipac
- Citizens United v. FEC
- Corporatism
- Regulatory Capture
- High campaign cost
- 2 party system
- Military Industrial Complex
But it seems we could cut (or at least weaken) them all at once by banning lobbying.
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And mass boycotts but Average Joe is marginally educated, poor and disinterested in politics.
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Put your money where your mouth is, Letterman. You’re worth almost a half billion, so what are you risking other that being just another rich guy telling others to do the heavy lifting while you stay nice and safe?
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Sad to say that in a fascist regime, even speaking up like this puts a target on Letterman's back. Trump is thin-skinned and petty.
Moving the average at "something is wrong" towards "let's do something about it" is a step in the right direction.
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Unfortunately it will take popular people being targeted with severe injustice to raise the ire of the public at large. If high profile wealth wants to play it safe the masses will suffer much greater losses before change can be effected.
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And just what is it exactly that you are risking here just calling it down online on a forum?
What is it you hope to achieve here in a world of updoots voters and influencers?
You’re playing the exact same game.
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You don’t know what we’ve done. I can’t doxx myself to tell you what my family will likely be dealing with thanks to political action. Suffice to say we’ll probably be single income in short order, at least for a while, thanks to actual risk taken.
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That’s not at all true. Totally different circumstances and stakes. They’re saying that this guy has a massive fortune that could go toward this directly. They’re not saying “What are you doing other than speaking up?” as if it just stops there and Letterperson needs to “get in the streets” or something.
Think about it like this. If it’s true that he could spend $250M and still not feel a dent, imagine what he could fund. Independent media. Thousands of artists. Political canvassers. Twitch streamers. Progressive software companies. So many ideas. That’s what they’re talking about, not whether or not he shows up at the local DSA.
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Where's the 2A crowd now?
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America: "The government is constantly ignoring the constitution!!!" Also america: ignores the 2nd amendment of the constitution which gives very clear directives on how to deal with the government that igores the constitution.
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Cheering on the ever encroaching fascism as it happens in real time.
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The Republican Party dies as soon as that happens. Every Republican knows it. That's why they will fight to keep it from happening and grift the situation as long as they can.
Fascism does not outlive the guy at its center. It can't. Anybody who could step up to take control would have been a threat to the old leader's position. The leader, therefore, has to make sure his people are loyal to him personally, and that tends to select for people who aren't very competent and are incapable of fermenting the same sort of faux populist up swell.
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The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
That moment when even they admit if the dems did this; reps would go wild.
Presidency isn’t a business that closes once the term is up. It’s a turn in the game. They kept forgetting that until the plane happened.
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The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
The nail in the coffin should have been the failed coup.
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The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
Keep dreaming.
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That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
Thing is, I heard that multiple times during his first term.
I'm not saying you are wrong, maybe you are right. But I'm not so easily convinced after all the shit he consistently gets away with. There were people on their covid death beds who were still anti-mask/vax and pro-Trump.
If people are still stubbornly holding onto their beliefs as they directly face their own mortality more or less because of them, its hard to imagine a bribe being the red line.
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The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
I'll believe that when they do something about him
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"...think of the solution, not the problem. If your mind was filled only with thoughts of why you were going to lose, then you couldn't think of how to win." - Richard Rahl
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The problem I have with this thinking is that people think Trump caused this and that the fascist problem will go away if he does.
He is a symptom. We need to fix the cause. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but going back to 'the old way of solving problems' and not changing anything will just lead to more fascists.
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People are literally infected with his BS. Removing the main disease gives others a fighting chance to provide treatment with a possible cure.
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I think it’s more that they see Trump as a confirmation of their world view.
They feel scared and threatened, they seek evidence to confirm their feelings, and Trump provides them with the reassuring narrative that affirms their world view.
If people could get help dealing with the things that they’re actually afraid of struggling with they wouldn’t be as engaged with fear mongering.
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Either way, the fix is going to involve getting rid of Trump.
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Yup.
This is just the beginning. Trump opened doors that are permanently open now. Other bad actors will walk through them. They know now, definitively, that Americans are largely stupid and that pretty basic propaganda works on them. And our government is configured in such a shitty way that any real change requires such a large majority in Congress that we're not going to fix all the things necessary to prevent this all from happening again.
I hope you're ready for permanent decline, because that's the future for America, short of a revolution that completely rewrites our laws regarding politics. And it'll be written in a shit ton of blood.
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Still I got down voted lots for suggesting merely banning Afd might not be the, eh, total solution to the problem. 🤷🏼♀️
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A lot of very smart people want to get rid of Trump. The main problem is the hundreds of opportunists riding on his coattails, who are currently in charge of Congress and won't let anything happen to him because it will affect their own fortunes. Hell, some of them are just sitting silently in committee meetings because they can't speak in Trump's favor without committing perjury, so they refuse to respond to questions (even though that's their job). Unless Bonespurs has his final Big Mac Attack while in office, I think we're stuck with him until 2026, when some of his Congressional minions might lose their seats and his lock on the US government will loosen a little.
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Do you really think there's anything short of violence that will will cause him to leave office?
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A lightning strike on the golf course?
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Severe medical events. But I think the most realistic hope is if enough people help replace some MAGA congresspeople in 2026 so they can stonewall the rest of his term.
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Diarrhea
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He left office in 2020 because the military leadership wouldn't back him and the Mike Pence wing of the party was sick of him.
Very possible that he gets kicked out because Peter Thiel is tired of him and wants a replacement.
But who replaces Trump? If the Dems decide to re-run Joe Biden and Marc Anderssen joins Mike Bloomberg in chairing the DNC, what do you win by electing the Silicon Valley Certified Democrat over the Silicon Valley Certified Republican?
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If he had another daughter to molest.
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Honestly US has too many retarded people for democracy.
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Osho said it best.
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Garbage in, garbage out.
We've got a mass media that exists to pump everyone's brains full of Fear, Uncertainty, and Distraction.
From local "If it bleeds, it leads" news coverage to shopping aisles full of celebrity gossip and fad diet magazines to damned near every radio channel in America being operated by two companies that are owned by white supremacist families... we're all living in a soup of ignorance and hate. We have been since we were born.
Is it any surprise more people are angry at Muslim migrants than local mega-churches? That foreign governments are more vilified than domestic lobbying firms? That the homosexual agenda is scarier than climate change?
Whining about "the people" seems short-sighted when you're living in the shadow of the Big Racist Propaganda Machine.
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Let's not resort to ableist language just to try to make a point, please.
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IMO there are two big, fundamental and inherent problems we're not dealing with.
1 - Democrats don't want to do anything, because they want to run against Republicans on this in the fall, midterms and in 2028.
2 - The folks who voted for Trump in the first place get their news and world view from Fox News and the GOP-aligned media. They aren't telling the same story.
Let's look at the fucking headlines from Fox News right now:
- Dose of Reality: Trump targets drug prices, pharmaceutical industry with new executive order.
- Dems defend 'storming' of ICE facility - DHS hits back with all the receipts
- Trump cuts deal with America's top rival - here's the fairer playing field the US now has
- Storm Clouds: Middle Eastern royal offers to donate jump jet to Trump - Dems immediately make move
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We probably shouldn't have let Fox News fester and metastasize all these years.
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I think we all thought Rupert Murdoch would just be dead by now and his empire would then begin to crumble. But the man seems to be sustained by hatred and refuses to die.
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1 - Democrats don't want to do anything, because they want to run against Republicans on this in the fall, midterms and in 2028.
This reminds me of the olde biology joke.
A scientist observes a frog jumping. He [ sequentially removes legs and observes until the last leg is gone; then he] observes that a legless frog will not jump when provoked, concluding that a legless frog becomes non-compliant.
It's fun to absolutely render a party useless, ignore the rallies its better members are holding (and how that's all they can do) and just decide they must not want to do anything for a reason then supplied.
Can we beggar a question when there's no question?
I'm gonna need receipts; especially for the Bernie and AoC cases.
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Since you brought it up ...
I'll start by saying their tour was impressive. They did an amazing job of rallying people, packing houses and calling attention to what is going on. Same for Walz to a lesser extent. And the 50501 rallies.
But ... so did Kamala. She was packing auditoriums, bringing excitement, and looked to have galvanized the country especially compared to Trumps rallies.
But ...
To. What. End.
What's the goal? Why are they doing them? What is the outcome we want to see? Trump removed from office? GOP to start valuing their constituents?
Especially the 50501 rallies. If you looked at the signs there were 50 causes showing up, splintering the message.
If you go to Bernie's website it just says "I'll be hitting the road to have real discussions across America on how we move forward to take on the Oligarchs and corporate interests who have so much power and influence in this country."
Sure they're unique. Maybe historic. They all have powerful messages. And it's better than nothing.
But at the end of they day, to me, they point back to No. 1. "Things suck. It's the Republicans fault. Vote for us in the Fall."
Now maybe that'll change. But they were really just glorified campaign rallies.
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The Senator who went to El Salvador gets credit, Senator Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat from Maryland.
Also I respect Cory Booker's 24 hour speech.
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you're forgetting about point #3. all you need to do is watch the commercials on major us 'news' stations to figure out who tells the news.
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Since Letterman is a millionaire I vote he starts the revolution, instead of trying to convince us to do all the work.
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I have to admit this timeline is weird enough for a revolution started by David Letterman.
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Personally, I think we should skip the home.
This loser didn't start forgetting his wife's name or forget to wipe his ass after shitting on a regular basis.
He's a fucking traitor who is tanking our country in a myriad of ways and violating the fuck out of our Constitution. A much more....severe punishment is in order.
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Hank hill “do i look like I know what a JPEG is”
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In Germany we say "Der Klügere gibt nach, bis die Dummen die Welt reagieren". You could translate it with "A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will until fools rule the world."
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We have to be victimized because the alternative is armed revolt and putting his fat orange neck under the guillotine. I’m sorry, but Americans aren’t suffering enough en-masse to be motivated enough to do that yet. I wish it weren’t so, but we’re stuck with it for now.
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Give it a year.
I'm assuming some of the Trumptards with a few brain cells still bouncing around will start looking at their grocery receipts and not be able to reconcile it with what their Daddy has been saying.
"Hey, dat man lied to me."
Maybe getting evicted will open some eyes.
We're only 3-4 months in.
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You'd be surprised at what people will put up with. I say we aren't close even if we gave it 3 or 4 years.
They will bury their head in the sand so hard they'll come out the other side of the planet before they'll annoy they were duped.
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The idea of armed revolt always concerns me because of countries like N. Korea, Iraq, and more recently Afghanistan.
All of these countries had periods of (relative) progressive tendencies before their current iterations. Yes, I'm aware Afghanistan was still rough 2001-2021 but there was still a generation of women going to school and getting educated and that concept just simply ceased to exist.
And all of these people just kinda...watched it happen. And did nothing about it.
I'm not sure, as an American, why we'd be any different. We have alcohol, iphones, air conditioning, fast food, and video games. No one is risking their creature comforts at this point.
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If you revolt, then you can't use "Jan 6th" as a gotcha afterwards lol
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He’s pretty much describing all three sides of the problem and pretending only one of them matters.
- The anti-democracy movement, which wants a dictator and has gained enough followers to actually pull it off through democratic means.
- The pro-democracy movement, which is seeking to counteract the fascists through persuasion (the whining he’s talking about) and careful legal action that doesn’t undermine the very democracy they’re trying to defend.
- The revolutionary movement, which believes this democracy has already failed so severely that it needs a hard reset, so any action to remove the fascists is justified even if there is collateral damage.
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Stop making sense!
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How is this statement any different than anyone else's "whining" about the goon? It puts me in mind of a scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian.
We've go to get up off our asses and stop just talking about it
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Okay I'm up off my ass, what now? Apparently we need to talk about how to get rid of him - which is what Dave is saying.
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There's nothing you can do, the system was made so you can't just remove a guy you don't like. It's up to Congress to impeach and remove or the 25th amendment, but that just gets you Vance.
Have the day you voted for, especially the protest-non-voters.
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Well, there's always one thing we can do.
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When lettermen calls someone a goon you know he hates them.
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Can it be a funeral home?
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Idk if we should be listening to crystal meth Santa clause.
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LET 👏 HIM 👏 COOK 👏
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The funny thing is what he's offering here is also just words.
You're going to need more than just gradually escalating calls to action to fix this problem.
I know that I also am just offering words but I'm not worth half a billion dollars with a broad domestic and global audience nor am I American.
I hope he puts his money where his mouth is and goes even a step further.
We're should be past the point of people telling each other to do something about it.
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It's a call for action. Different, really
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a random link appears!
edit: I voted for Kamala, you guys are pathetic.
One singular look at my last ten posts would easily out me as a leftist. You did as much research as a Trump supporter! Hmmmmm, maaaaybe....
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White knighting for trump, wow. Maybe he will let you suck on his boot if you are nice enough.
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Is liking this bearded pervert mutually exclusive from voting for a fascist or are you just another lemming? I can be a leftist AND hate perverts.
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In all honesty we should all be on the lawn at the whitehouse everyday until things change. No work no buying nothing but our constant presence. We're the reason this continues.
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The problem is that enough voters saw this feckless and recklessness and said "Yes! This is what we need more of in this country!"
So we kind of asked for this, didn't we?
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I sure as hell didn't
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Some people asked for this. Most did not.
Of the 63.7% of people that actually voted, 49.8% voted for Trump, and 48.3% for Harris.So 30-something percent of America asked for this.
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When are Americans going to figure this out?: 63.7% voted, the other 36.3% don't fucking matter. By not voting they said "we are okay with this".
49.8% (more if you include the RFK voters) of the people who mattered voted for this, and those that didn't vote are complicit whether they like it or not.
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Your politics is football teams, that way you can all stay nice distracted and disorganised
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Well, we haven't really had an uprising since that one 250 years ago. But that one went well.
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He could be talking about Putin in this graphic and it would have the same meaning and it would be just as useful.
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Sit down and shut up Dave. You held a fund raiser for Biden who hasn't been home for years (poor guy) and had no business running for president.
At least be honest, show some integrity, and call all spades, spades.
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As a foreigner Biden seemed have a good economy for you USA americans, sure we would have loved a harder stance on Russia but it's incomparable.
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Whataboutism can be saved for when the immediate threats are handled. Putting an upper age limit on elected offices can help as a start.
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