why though
why though
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Yep, the right peddles sexy chest-beating wishful thinking and conspiracy theories which sells itself, the left has to sell the actual hard work that is needed - and yes frequently leans into chasing stupid celebrity endorsements and fluff and getting bogged down in the weeds or getting tripped up by well-meaning labels that get twisted used as battering rams against them like DEI, Woke, Socialist, etc.
Unfortunately we cannot win by being as bad as them, that is the burden of being on the righteous path of fairness, logic and reason.
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Long term strategy, across decades, short term tactics. The right has actual goals, and uses culture nonsense to mask it. The Dems have cultural nonsense.
Show me the long term Democrat strategy and how they're going to accomplish it. I'd love to see it. I'd even help.
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The left are really good at becoming disorganized and eating itself though. And the right knows this. All the right has to do is making one comment that pits one minority against the other and boom : left will be out for another week sorting itself out before they reorganize again against the next thing the right does.
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I'm not sure I understand you. Can you give an example of a conservative making a comment that pits one minority against the other that took the left out for a week?
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In addition to suggesting more dramatic work on delivering effective government that aides & protects people, I'd complained they need to engage the people where they at
Frankly, adapting a message isn’t enough. They need to beat Republicans at social media, have their own answer to right-wing influencers & podcasters like Joe Rogan, probably pump out their own viral bullshit, answer Republican troll farms with Democrat troll farms.
to be answered on here with
This is such a boomer take. This is like trying to claim Clinton lost in 2016 because she didn’t tweet enough or use the right young-person slang, skibidi
The Right loves to organize & build a long-term strategy to "own the libs", stack the courts, pass anti-abortion legislation at the state level. It seems the Left's answer to "own the libs" is to also "own the libs". "The libs" don't catch a break.
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The left doesn't understand how Joe Rogan got popular in the first place. It's because he's authentic. If the left tried to make a Joe Rogan, he would be engineered in some DNC lab, given carefully-written scripts written by consultants, put through numerous focus groups...and would fail utterly.
If they were actually authentic, on the other hand, they would get canceled almost immediately for either platforming a problematic person or having problematic opinions themselves.
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The left doesn’t understand how Joe Rogan got popular in the first place. It’s because he’s authentic
He's an authentic idiot.
The DNC has no authenticity though, you're right there.
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DNC isn't left wing. Look at what they did to Bernie, and then realize even Bernie is barely left wing in the international Overton Window.
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The left had a Joe Rogan. His name was Joe Rogan.
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It's only the same if most people buy snake oil.
The problem is that most people buy snake oil unless they have reveived a good education.
Makes you wonder why the left is not improving education, even outside the school framework.
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The left does enhance education where possible. It's just a massive up hill battle when public education is reduced and underfunded every time a conservative gains power, and isn't enhanced much at all when a liberal gains power...
Please, explain how a minority is supposed to win against a hostile majority?
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There is no general answer because by default, the majority wins.
For education, I would focus on a small number of communities and pool all resources to figure out what works.
Then use the desire of other communities for the hopefully existing improvements to spread the system.
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I spend a lot of time wondering what "independent media" is supposed to be
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Independent Media is basically anything that's not owned by Disney/ABC, Viacom, NBC Universal, CBS, Newscorp (Fox), or Warner Bros.
In theory, on the internet, anybody can set up their own website and release their material.
But in terms of sheer scale, every online punk zine combined doesn't have half the reach of each of the 'independent' websites funded by some natural gas lobbying firm or ghoulish right wing family (other than the Murdochs) or supplement company sold exclusively through a pyramid scheme.
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And how independent were some of those media really when they were crying they couldn't exist without the USAID regime money?
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the important question is what to do about it.
back in the day workers used pirate radio and printed newspaper to spread the word. today tv is too expensive to run and the hegemonic internet platorms bias their algorithms against it.
there are barely any workers awake to even spread the word by mouth.
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Bathroom graffiti.
Zines.
Pamphlets.
Buy some postage labels, write “Trump is a rapist,” “Defund ICE” and stick them up when no one is looking.
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Use their tactics. Is it immoral to lie to an idiot to get them to vote in their own interests? They're already buying all kinds of bullshit like flat earth, anti vac, and trickle down economics; infiltrate their circles and cause confusion in the narrative. Break into their walled communities and drive division within their ranks.
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This is basically how I see the democratic party. The "real base" is college educated people who care about things being good, but are intelligent enough to see beyond first order effects. These are the sorts of people who read think pieces in The Atlantic, and who also have a subscription to The Economist because they feel it is important to see many sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, these people make up a rather small minority of the voting population.
The remainder of the Democratic party's voters are made up of diverse interest groups which are voting for their own narrow self interest - various racial minorities, sexual minorities, women, union members, etc.
The challenge of the Democratic party is convincing an ornery old black man who regularly uses homophobic slurs to complain about his nephew and a 33 year old white woman who jogs during her lunch break when working to save the dolphins that they are on the same side.
Meanwhile, the "real base" of the Republican party is made up of a not very diverse group of "real Americans" who are also voting (as they see it) for their own self interest. But there's not really nobel intellectual class in the Republican party - there are the elites, who cynically use the plebs to enact their chosen policies, and there are the plebs who cheer for their elites even when they are told exactly how they are getting screwed.
Democrats have fretted for years about how they could gain the success the Republicans have at getting their message out and mobilizing their base, and the reality is that they just can't. Democrats are, quite simply, not dumb enough to fall for that bullshit.
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"Well how do you keep yourself from murdering and raping all you want without religion?"
"I do murder and rape all I want, for, you see, I do not want to murder or rape!"
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This one was always really funny to me. As if their supposed god himself hasn't explicitly commanded (and even committed) both of these sins on numerous occasions.
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it's called consensual BDSM (obviously not the first bit though)
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This is definitely part of it, most people don't spend their time scheming, trying to put others down, trying to make life worse for others.
I am a target of neighborhood Mobbing and it really took me a while, until i considered this a reality. I just couldn't wrap my head around this, that other people were making an effort to get on my nerves or were watching me and passively aggressively attacking me.
There really are people that want to interfere in the lives of other people minding their own business.
Meet the Republican mindset amongst ordinary people
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Sort of all wannabe HOA board members. Petty and racist control freaks.
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Same reason a tiger has eyes on the front of their skull, and the sheep has eyes on the sides. The predator must focus on their target. The prey must remain vigilant against all threats.
A scammer needs to find one way to trick you. A victim must avoid all scams.
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I like to think I have boundless empathy but for the life of me I can’t put myself in this mindset.
Like I just want to be nice to all the people I interact with and possibly leave the world a little better because I was here.
I can’t fathom being against something that has no bearing on me. It’s like a more twisted version of how people were commenting on GTA trailer about how the game sucks rah rah rah, like bro just go and enjoy the things you do like and pass by the things you don’t.
I don’t like anime, but I also don’t give a shit if you do like it as I probably have hobbies you don’t like.
Someone help me understand why so many people are like this? I believe I was born with these morals as I’ve had the same upbringing as my siblings, although I saw a lot more fucked up family shit. Yet I’m quite liberal and accepting and my brothers are not really that way. They ain’t conservatives but they certainly get caught up in the noise of hating the wrong people.
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Can't be explained easily. It's a bunch of variables triggered at opportune moments setting in place a mish-mash of values that somehow manage to work.
Take a day in your life. Think about what was good and bad in it. Then think what it would've been like had the good things failed and the bad things succeeded instead. Would that change your perspective on how the day went? As day after day pass, these small, usually things cement themselves into a view on life. Who learns what changes from person to person because what, when and how we learn creates differences in values and personality.
An example, you and your brother argue over a toy as children. If the argument escalates and you hit each other, the winner and the loser of the fight will have different perspectives on the situation. Same if a parent or an adult interferes and casts judgement unilaterally. Each person involved will learn something different from the others and this will shape in which direction their overall personality will view the world.
The good and the bad change depending on the position each person is in and each situation can evolve in many uncontrollable ways.
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It's because everyone feels the need to enforce things, and these people think that they must enforce a hierarchy where smart, strong people pick on and scam weakers, dumber people who they assume are either also scammers or dumb enough to deserve it. These groups believe in things like might makes right and ableism. They do not care to build a reality based on science or facts or good faith arguments, instead it is based on hierarchy and bullying. They do not even understand what a good faith argument really is.
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The closest that gets me to empathising with them is thinking about times in my life where I have done stupid, harmful-to-me things as a sort of lashing out to claw back any agency I could. For example, deliberately flunking a test because failing by choice felt safer than trying as hard as I could and doing badly anyway; I didn't realise what was happening at the time, but in hindsight, decisions like that were all about my inability to cope with uncertainty and vulnerability.
I think that people who are unfathomably kind are probably a lot like me, in that they feel scared if they look at the state of the world. They probably recognise in their gut that there is very little that they, as individuals, can do to improve things, and that's scary to them. However, instead of learning to sit with the discomfort of uncertainty and learning how to lean into the vulnerability to do some collective action, they lash out at the world. Being awful to some poor person who is also overwhelmed doesn't solve any of the root issues, of course, but I think that it's cathartic to them to be able to impact the world in some tangible way — it makes them feel less powerless to be able to fuck up someone's day. Plus I reckon there's probably some transference stuff going on, where being unkind to an individual may set them up to be a sort of repository for all the bad feelings they have inside them, like a subconscious scapegoat
Hateful people still baffle me, but over time, I find myself able to empathise with them more. I find people like this quite tragic, because I know that I would have killed myself long ago if I didn't find community and solidarity to keep me pushing onwards. It seems like quite a bleak existence, and it hurts to see them poisoning themselves with their shortsighted hate.
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Based Hank. Great content creator.
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Does the right use independent media?
Or do their billionaire pals that have exploited humanity for decades just own the mainstream media... so they don't have to bother with independent media: cause they have dozens of not hundreds of full time staff figuring out how to increase viewership.It's not really a question.
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Yes, and it's very popular, at least with younger people. Asmongold, Rogan, Shapiro, Fresh and Fit, Charlie Kirk, etc. They're usually further right than mainstream too. The algorithms boost them, they typically sell snake oil/crypto, and are suspiciously well-funded (last year, many were found to be taking Russian money).
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The Koch foundation made a long-term investment in making it seem like grass roots movements were pushing society to the right. They kept it up for over twenty years, and that persistence has paid off for them in ways that will likely take a similar amount of time to reverse https://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/
The difference in the size of left- and right-leaning media isn't in news or comedy sites. The right-leaning news and comedy media is only modestly more watched than left-leaning media. Where the right really dominates is sliding politics into every single popular subject - topics like sports, games, wellness, and religion have tons of audience for right-leaning shows and basically no audience for left-leaning ones. https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedly
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I think I agree?
Like, the right sucked at independent media. They couldn't hang whatsoever on Twitter or Reddit. They need to use billionaires to capture and co-opt these platforms to compete.
And like all the "conservative" social media? Its all 100% AstroTurf (rumble, etc.)
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After the loss in 2000 they tried to make a liberal talk radio network, too
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