so brave and yet so true
so brave and yet so true
so brave and yet so true
You could say the same for every capitalist :3
There's a lot of smug "well actually" commenters in this thread, who have completely missed that the meme is making a rhetorical point about the nature of rent-seeking rather than sincerely advocating for the sudden disappearance of all landlords.
Let's some to simplify every person gets to buy only one home and this is only for them and their families to enjoy.
Now they still have more money than you. They just won't invest in a house but somewhere else instead. Now nobody can rent, great all the banks now get a ton of revenue for all that money they lend out because everybody needs to buy. (Making them insanely rich)...
Inequality is the problem, just peddling a simple solution like getting rid of one symptom is not gonna fix this. Also changing the system has historically done nothing in that way either.
Taxing the rich would. ;)
Landlords are easy to hate, but they are necessary. Having them paying high taxes and having strong protections for renters will keep them honest and contributing and the market balanced.
Let's start with some constructive work instead of hate flaming memes.
I would argue that being able to rent a house is necessary. That doesn’t mean we have to rent them from private landlords.
I would agree and add that companies are no option either. Can't have the state handle that though, look at the German rail and telecommunications companies. Utterly broken.
Best thing I have found working sometimes is housing cooperatives. "Wohnungsbau Genossenschaft". Which are incorporated as a non profit. But even those work only sometimes and only if most of the shares are owned by people actually living in the networks housing.
So let temporary accommodation be handled by the community? You don't need rich people to build houses.
Yeah renting is definitely convenient in lots of scenarios, like moving to a new city / area, don't have a job yet, don't know how long you'll stay, or you know it's temporary, like for college. Having to buy the house each time would suck, banks wouldn't give mortgages this easily, especially in a market full of borrowers.
I could go on vacation twice a year if I didn't pay rent.
Where would you live when you're not on vacation?
In the house/condo they own. We just went over this.
We'd have a lot of empty houses and maybe cheaper houses.
Look. Personally, I love renting. Its fleksible.i can move whenever i want to and not think about selling. Also i can live in places where houses are practically unsellable and not worry that I can't sell once I want to live somewhere else
Also, I don't have to worry about repairing and maintaining the house. If I window breaks, I call the landlord. If a pipe breaks a leak, I call the landlord. For me, renting is great!
Buying and selling houses is a nightmare to make you feel like rentals are necessary.
When my parents wanted to move as young adults it was easy for them to sell their property and use that money to buy a new one in the place they were moving to. That's now way more difficult just for the benefit of landlords.
When I was four (in 1986), my parents moved for my Dad's job (he was transferred), and ended up accepting the company offer to buy their house at not a great price because they couldn't find a market buyer. At least from my experience, buying and selling forty years ago was just as fraught as now.
Do you have examples of specific practices that have become common and make house sales more difficult?
I'd be happy to rent if the value of houses didn't double every decade.
Here in Australia you really just work so you can pay your mortgage. The wealth you accrue through your life is mostly the value of your house rather than the money you save.
you really just work so you can pay your mortgage.
Of course. Why would we work so hard to keep jobs that most of us hate if we didn't have mortgages and rent to pay? This is how the machine keeps itself turning. If only there was a motor that wasn't so exploitative in nature...
@cosmicrookie @stabbycicada you could still have rental houses in a system with no landlords
@cosmicrookie @stabbycicada I mean for example with housing cooperatives
My brother in Christ you're the one paying for those repairs and more yourself, it's not like the landlord does it personally. Some might to save a buck, but you're still paying the bill.
Oh and all those repairs are tax deductible so they will pay less than you will on taxes usually.
Oh and if they would have to pay taxes, you're paying the taxes for them.
Regulate profit on housing, problem solved.
If I window breaks, I call the landlord. If a pipe breaks a leak, I call the landlord. For me, renting is great!
Here I'm responsible for all that. Renting is not so great... lol
Saying that you add nuance with that comment, is like saying anti-vaxers add nuance with their views.
It is proven time and time again that when something is done against landlords the normal people benefit. See Vienna for example, or the early ccp or the whole movement of and views of Henry George.
You can also see full video about the topic in Britain here
Sure. But no matter how many videos I watch or how many articles I read about how terrible landlords can be, it won't change the fact that I dont want to own a property and also that there are people who are unable to buy. There are also people who are not in that stage of life where they want to have ties to a house.
Its not black or white.
Hence nuanced
I might be in the wrong place, discussing and interesting topic though.
We would also get lots of empty houses by killing 20% of the poorest people. What's the point of arguments like this?
You'd like that, wouldn't you? They don't "produce enough value" for your tastes and deserve their suffering, so why not end it?
Thing is, someone owns those houses and it's certainly not poor people like me. Also we need more housing in most western countries and private entities are definitely not going to build it if they can't rent it out. We need to figure out a way to force public entities like the state to build more housing.
A communist (or similar) revolution might take care of it, but that's a lot more involved than "all landlords disappear".
Mortgage payments are often cheaper than rent. The barrier for poorer people to owning is usually downpayment requirements and credit. There are many reasons for the "housing crisis;" most stemming from real-estate being treated as a speculative asset or "investment," which incentivizes all kinds of phenomenon harmful to society.
Such a paradox isnt it. We have declining birth rates in the west, yet somehow we have a housing shortage. Its like they deliberately drove down building to drive up prices.
We might have declining birthrates, but we also have substantially different living arrangements. 100 years ago, millions of 70 year olds living alone in a one family house would not be a thing. And part of the reason for the birthrate decline is that younger people are single for longer periods of time, which means they aren't living with a partner - most single adults will live in one person households if they can.
If all those people that have money to build houses were forced to give it away (taxes), we the people (the government) could just build the houses and not charge exorbitant rent.
The hard part is how to actually make the government do that. And ideally without turning your state into a stalinist or maoist dystopia.
All y'all need to read about Georgism.
Yeah Henry George is a true American treasure. I've been a Georgist for about 17 years now. Seems like the movement is finally gaining a little bit of momentum. Or at least people are talking about it.
Geo-orgyism? I'm in.
Done. I see the cat.
We'd have more houses, they gotta live somewhere too
So a net positive....
In the number of houses available, yes
If a person disappears the things they own will still be here, shocking revelation.
Found the landlord, guys
When workers die, you no longer have labor. When scientists die you no longer have their intelligence.
Maybe the true communism is just killing whoever we don't like and taking their stuff all along. /s
If you want the state to redistribute their property, or some other organization, making it kinda common and free, - you'll have a mobster alternative of feudal lords instead of landlords.
Like it happened with USSR.
And you still wouldn't own it
Source?
I think technically people that own their own homes are landlords too, but I get what you mean.
From Wikipedia
A landlord is the owner of property such as a house, apartment, condominium, land, or real estate that is rented or leased to an individual or business, known as a tenant.
So, I'd say you're technically wrong :D