5d ago

Marvel's Problem

Marvel's problem wasn't that the films got bad. They're actually all decent films. It's that they got greedy. Before they thought about linking all the films, they needed to make it so all the films were great standalone films. That just made it feel like we had to commit to everything and that's just daunting. In all honesty, films like Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania and Captain America: Brave New World are decent. Though the fighting scenes were subpar in the latter. They really lack fluidity. But they suffer from the now you have to see… In short they jumped the gun and it cost them.

Also Kang was a good villain. Shame they didn't bleed him into the universe properly. Kang versus Doom would've been delicious.

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I dunno, I feel like people have been saying this kind of thing since Age of Ultron.

Kang is the easiest villain ever to recast and somehow they decided to ditch it. I think disney+ ruined the mcu. There's too much too quickly. Also they could have used the shows to expand on stories, not have a continued story in series and movie form . It just loses a lot of people

Yeah when I went in to Doctor Strange multiverse of madness, and there was no, you really do need to see Scarlet witch first, I just wondered what the fuck is going on. Since then there has been so much released on Disney plus it feels like I have to do research before just going into a movie for some mindless fun. So I checked out. Sorry Marvel but you should have made your series non compulsory to the movies. Basically tried forcing your streaming service on us, now I won't touch it or your Disney IP with a 10 meter pole
- And even if you watched WandaVision, the setup for MoM doesn't make sense since it reverts Wandas character development! Which makes sense if you know that the two got swapped, but it doesn't help the story a bit.
  
  For me the big issue with whatever happened between WandaVision and MoM is that she was just left to keep doing her own thing and grow in power after WandaVision. Apparently the Avengers will just forgive and forget about someone enslaving and torturing an entire town for 3 years, as long as that person was / is also an Avenger. Sure, her story was sad but also she's kind of a monster.
  They obviously knew exactly where she was the whole time, considering that Dr. Strange just strolled up to have a chat with her. So basically they just let this unhinged and immensely powerful individual just walk away from that and live her life in peace in her apple meadow.
- There's a reason Dan Harmon bitched about serialisation for about a decade, it's a crutch for weak writing. Episodic is just a far better format in general, and basically all streaming is going far in the opposite direction because they've let their own half-baked binge metrics dictate what kinds of shows they make.
  It's become a bit of a hobby for me to point out how media changes based on the incentives. All art is beholden to its support structures, and most of these streaming platforms have put algorithms in control because we keep on failing to learn the lessons of the past century or so.

They made it a hassle to follow everything. In the infinity saga we just had the movies. Agents of shield and the Netflix shows were not needed to follow the story.
Now it's tons of movies and shows all interlinked. It's just too much, and I don't have enough interest in them.
I just watch what speaks to me now. Wanda vision, loki and Agatha were fun. Spiderman has always been my favorite, so I watch that. Other than that I don't really watch them anymore. Other shows I've tried, but didn't really care about them.

Yeah, they've run into the same issue comics can have.
Once you have the first crossover, there's an idea that you have to keep doing them.
And you don't. More importantly, the broader the crossover gets, the less stamina anyone is going to have for following the damn story arc across a dozen titles.
Add in the fact that you're bouncing between movies and tv shows, as well as more characters than anyone can track, and you get trouble. Stack the difficulty in knowing what order to watch things in, and more people drop off, if they didn't just because they're now expected to pay for a steaming service.
Then, when some of the movies end up weak as hell, you shed more fans.
And, unlike comics, you aren't getting an installment every month. Some parts of the stories have years between them. You can't maintain serialized interest at that time range. Long gaps between seasons kills shows.
- Don't get me started on the comics. My biggest issue with them is the non-permanence. Every time something good happens, it gets reset and all my time and energy was wasted.

There's a great deal of "I think you guys might care about this more than your audience does" to their more recent fare. I don't keep this stuff at the top of my mind, who are these characters again? I still don't know why the Hulk is always on now, and frankly I'm not interested in doing the homework to find out.
- They cut the storyline from InfinityWar/EndGame that addressed the Hulk thing and just expositioned around it.
  So on top of linking things too closely, and releasing too often, they are also dropping in just general quality of writing. Which I felt was detrimental to Quantumania, as well as the obviously crunched CGI effects that have plagued Disney for a while now.

If they stretched their releases out instead of trying to keep a marvel movie in theaters every month...They clearly weren't thinking about "superhero fatigue" when they flexed their marketing budget.
- Man, fuck superhero fatigue.
  If they made great movies and those great movies came out every month, I would abso-fucking-lutely see them. I’d join my local fancy theater’s “I go here too often” club, etc.
  If people can be glued to soap operas week after week, I can handle a good superhero movie each month.
  They don’t do that though. They don’t even do that once a quarter.
  And you can be like virtually everyone here and cry about Disney+, but when the shows were good I was thrilled to pay for it and watch them. When the content stopped appealing to me I cancelled it. Secret Invasion remains the one MCU property I started but have no intention or interest to finish. I do not and will never like marvel zombies, and I strongly prefer live action over cartoons.
  I never got super hero fatigue. I got lack of quality content fatigue.

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