World News @lemmy.world barsoap @lemm.ee 1 yr. ago

[Interview with Israeli] Ex-PM: First 'get rid of' Hamas, then Netanyahu

26m video interview. Blurb:

"Netanyahu is history, he's done," Ehud Olmert told DW. He called the current Israeli leaders "violent, messianic thugs" and said that long term, Palestinians must be able to "exercise their right to self-determination." The center-right politician and former prime minister added that there was no alternative to the two-state solution with the Palestinians. On the issue of the scores of Israelis taken hostage by Hamas, Olmert said there was "no basis for negotiation" with Hamas — since, in his view, the Islamist militant group was not interested in negotiations. Olmert also told host Tim Sebastian that he thought there was little likelihood of direct military action against Iran, even though Tehran had "coordinated" the attacks and that a derailment of a US-sponsored diplomatic and security accord between Israel and Saudi Arabia would serve Iran's interests.

Not sure whether this counts as "news" in the strict sense but I think it does in the loose sense also I wouldn't know where else to post it.

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You won't get rid of Hamas, or organizations like it, until you get rid of Netanyahu and people like him. Their control and influence is what drives recruitment for terrorist groups.
- And you won't get rid of Netanyahu until you get rid of Hamas and groups like them.
  
  The reason the conflict hasn't been resolved after decades isn't a lack of hot takes, it's because it's stalemates the whole way down.
  
  Except there's more the Israeli populace can do to get rid of Netanyahu than the Palestinians can do to get rid of Hamas. There's at least a framework of democracy for the former.
  
  I don't disagree that they feed off each other... but the apathy or hostility of the Israeli populace is a major factor in their government.
- Hamas came into power when Bibi wasn't PM. And when Israel was planning their withdrawal, Bibi actually fought against it saying exactly this would happen.
  
  While I'm a big supporter of Israel (so I know I'm biased), I can't stand Bibi and especially don't like this current coalition. But Bibi isn't the maker of this current situation.
  
  Netanyahu and people like him
  
  Emphasis mine. You're not wrong that it's more than just one person that's the cause of these issues. That doesn't mean that keeping them in power will fix the issue, though. In fact, it makes it worse.
I found quite interesting the claim that Netanyahu decided to funnel Qatari money into Gaza, including directly to Hamas. I cross checked that and it looks like this apparently is well reported public knowledge. The more speculative part is that he supposedly thought this would make Hamas independent of PA's funding. This happened at the time when the PA was using their own funding to Hamas as leverage to coerce them into dropping some of the terrorist shit from the agenda in an effort to allow for a unified government for the establishment of a Palestinian state. Anyone know more about this?
- Here are some more pieces to the puzzle. Still trying to figure this one out exactly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7grSsuFSS0
  
  Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=o7grSsuFSS0
  
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  Yeah, I read a bit about that too.
I've heard this crap before.

Edit: I'm sorry, was I too real? This shitbag has been kicked out of government, then dropped right back in once the opportunity was presented. Then proceeded to hijack the rest of the government.
- Him being corrupt and a sleazebag (is there a Likud politician who isn't both?) is one thing, dismissing what he said as crap without any elaboration another. Also, unlike Netanyahu Olmert actually served the prison time he deserved.
  
  That wasn't a dismissal. That was an expression of disgust.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/watch?v=Uar3I_LUSyM

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Not sure why these are mutually exclusive.
- Booting the head of state during wartime leads to some transitional difficulties
  
  Maybe. Hamas isn’t really an existential threat to Israel, it only appears so because of how horrifically Israeli security bungled this. The main activity of the military right now seems to be getting revenge by blowing up random buildings. Since it’s not clear how this makes Israel safer nor how Netanyahu is needed for that process anyway, I see no reason to delay his extremely long overdue removal from power.

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