"If you didn't want fascism you should have voted!"

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Spectre @lemmy.ml

1d ago

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I keep saying this: if Democrats want me to vote for them, they need to run better candidates that represent my interests.
Why does 'falling in line' always have to be a one-way street? It's always the progressives' fault, never the centrists or neoliberals.
That's by design, because progressives actually want to reduce the disparity in wealth. The American 'left' is filled of greedy, entitled consumerists just like the right. It's why they want to squabble over the culture war while ignoring the class war.
- You don't seem to understand democracy IMO. If you want the Democrats to have better candidates then work to get them elected in primaries. If you don't think the primary candidates are good enough, find someone to run in them or run yourself.
  If you sit on the sidelines until the last stage of the process and just bitch about the results of the process, you are just part of the problem.
  
  Entryism doesn't work, the DNC colluded to kick even Bernie out, and he was a compromise.
  
  I did, actually. The Clinton campaign still closed polls favoring Bernie, and the moderates opposing Biden dropped out and rallied around him while the progressives opposing Bernie remained, splitting the vote and favoring Biden. DNC shenanigans will always favor moderates.
  
  The 2016 DNC shenanigans are pretty well-known.
  
  You could read the article and see how the DNC colluded against Bernie, as well as the mass media machine working against him and for Clinton.
  The US isn't a democracy.
  
  For clarity, are you denying the collusion with clear evidence, or are you making the point that the collusion doesn't matter?
  
  Defeatism at its finest. With that attitude Bernie wouldn't even hold a seat or have gotten as close as he did.
  
  It isn't defeatism, it's a recognition of failed strategy. Revolution is necessary.
  
  Sure. And how do you imagine that is going to happen? Get real.
  Revolution happens by taking over the system, organizing, bringing people together. Selling the ideas of the movement.
  How do you imagine it? A small armed group of insurrectionists by bitter leftists that refuse to do the actual work of democracy. Democracy is people organizing from the bottom not accepting the system and sitting on the sidelines waiting for a socialist to be running for president.
  
  It happens through working class organization, building support, protesting, and creating an organized movement, like what PSL is doing, and what other revolutionary groups have done throughout history in places like Russia, Cuba, China, etc.
  
  Yeah Russia and China are great examples. Cuba you can blame on the capitalist interfere but if you think anyone wants to work towards the goal of being the Soviet Union or Communist China then you are living in a fantasy.
  I agree with the first part though, since it's the same as what I said. But those organized movements are not moving towards an armed revolution as a realistic end goal.
  
  The large majority of the population of post-Soviet states regret the dissolution of Socialism. Meanwhile, over 90% of Chinese citizens approve of their government, and are increadingly happy with the direction the country is heading in:
  So no, this isn't fantasy. I've actually done the effort to dig into these systems critically, rather than just accept the standard Red Scare narrative.
  Secondly, PSL is a revolutionary party, it outlines that on their party program:
  While reforms must be fought for, and can be won, they are under constant attack by the ruling class. Capitalism itself cannot be reformed. Its supreme law and driving force is the maximization of profit. The only force capable of putting an end to this criminal system is the organized working class. Capitalism cannot be voted out of power—it will take a revolution. The capitalist class will stop at nothing to prevent or overturn reforms by repressing, misdirecting or quelling any form of popular rebellion. Without a complete uprooting of the system that causes all the problems workers and oppressed peoples face, exploitation and oppression will still exist. The capitalist state will continue to rule.
  Would it kill you to do the barest research on anything you talk about?
  
  Oh I have done the research and you are living in a propaganda fantasy if you think Soviet Russia or Communist China are good, tankie. Peace and love.
  
  Seems like the people who had it hate that Socialism is gone, and the ones who have it, love it. These make sense, given the massive benefits to the working class that come with Socialism.
  
  So you are a white supremacist, desperately fighting to uphold your evil empire. All liberals are.
  
  Tell me about Kamala Harris' primary performance.
  
  This is an absurd comment made in bad faith IMO. And it intentionally ignores the reality of the situation where she was selected as the candidate.
  It's also the exception. And this is all excuses to not do the real work of democracy and instead live in some purist revolutionary fantasy.
  Yes the system is rigged, yes the wealthy are putting their thumb on the scale, THAT is why we fight harder and not an excuse to not fight. Which let's be honest the vast majority of you armchair pretend revolutionaries do... While the real grassroots leftists and anarchists are out doing the work of fighting for a more egalitarian society.