How am I supposed to go on?
How am I supposed to go on?
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It's such a stupid satire by a sad person who can't address valid criticism and who feel that their only recourse is to make up a fantasy.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, "I wouldn't even date you". The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child. She puts herself online and gets scrutinized and criticized.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own. Rather, it's to point out that these comics are stupid, and don't address valid criticism that's out there that need to be addressed properly.
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Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
This is one of the most prominent parts of manosphere ideology, and they are not quiet about it or shy about sharing it. We used to call it "negging". This comic is pointing out the absurdity of toxic men thinking they are too good for most women.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
I have no idea what the reality is for this cartoonist, nor do I care, but you've managed to make three misogynistic value judgments in one short sentence, which is kind of impressive in a sad and pathetic way. First, there's nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother. Second, a woman's worth is not determined by the number of past partners she's had, a standard which is never applied to men. Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own.
Maybe not, but it sure comes off as an endorsement of their values.
Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
So a comic strip didn't address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can't find a good man?
Dude. You are the guy in the comic.
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First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother.
Single motherhood is not easy, and I have sympathy for any woman who has become a single mother with no power of her own. The critique is not aimed at single motherhood, but rather at women who make (selfish) decisions in life that leaves the children without a father. It cannot be understated how damaging that can be for her children.
One reason why I said that certain internet personalities deserve criticism on their own is that they advocate for men engaging in promiscuity and cause the same problems that these personalities claim they dislike.
Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men.
Yes, it's a factor that men will judge a woman by. It makes sense, because a more extensive past will more likely affect a future relationship.
Men should be held to a higher standard as well, I don't disagree with that.
Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents. It's clear that single motherhood is not something to be desired, neither for the children nor the mothers themselves. Many single mothers are complaining, on the internet about this, so it's strange that you are trying to defend them by claiming that there is no issue to complain about...
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
I wasn't talking about the cartoonist. I was talking about the made up characters that supposedly reflect reality. When someone sees this comic, it's most likely that they don't think about who drew it. They will likely see the comic in isolation from the artist, just like I did.
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Just, eww!! Fucking eeewww!! 🤮
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Sorry for the unfamiliar opinions. Do you need me to call a doctor?
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Yeah, uh no, not unfamiliar. See the above comic. You are in it and it's got your panties all in a twist apparently.
People who need some professional assistance will do that shit you're talking about.
I was emoting how sick you make me feel, when one of you randomly creeps up. And especially when you think anyone cares about your weird ideals, for any gender.
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I think the problem is that you think I'm arguing in bad faith, and I'm not. Nor is anything that I said that controversial.
No offense, but I think you really need to touch some grass.
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Oh my. Well since I only get on here periodically, I think YOU should get your Very Own Personal Tag!
Then, if you're still around after I unblock you, I'll get to see your fancy lil tag if you shownup, and remember how sensitive you got over a comic. That you coulda' just ignored ffs.
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sensitive
You're the one being sensitive. Lol.
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Nice quick edit there. Bye byeee!
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bb👋
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It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents.
By who? Where?
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2930824/
That's like the one thing in his rant that he's not wrong about
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Oh great...the 4channers are here...
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Wrong. Try again.
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Stop. Get some help.
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Take your own advice, kiddo.
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You've never seen the "I wouldn't even date you" negging, where adult-aged boys try to trick women into pleading their case to the kid?
I think I go to the bar 2 or 3 times a year, and I've seen it several times. I'm glad that doesn't seem to be as much of a thing in the gay community, at least that I've seen.
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It depends on who the male character in the comic is supposed to be. If it's in that setting, then yeah I can imagine it happening.
I was thinking about MGTOWs and internet personalities who use words like "high value male/female", and my interpretation of this comic is that this is supposed to be satire of them. If that's what the comic artist was going for then, I believe my criticism is deserved.
If it's referencing immature men saying “I wouldn’t even date you” to women they actually find attractive, well, I haven't seen it myself but I can imagine it happening. That's however not what I was thinking about addressing this comic.
The comic is a bit ambiguous about what it's talking about specifically.
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Next, you're going to tell me that a snail doing cocaine isn't realistic?
No, no, shh, I want to believe.
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You'd have made a valid point if you stopped half way through.
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You are free to disagree, but I don't feel I would have been able to complete my point without the second half.
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Thanks, saved me having to write that. There is a lot of valid criticism women can level against "the modern man", depending on the culture they live in. But this is not it. I have never heard of a guy claiming to be of higher status and cussing off a woman who rejected him. Maybe we sometimes think we're higher status than a woman or whatever, but then again we do that with other men too. It's a human thing, not a gender thing. Women most definitely categorize men into lower and higher strata subconsciously too, if nothing else.
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"I, as a man, have never encountered this scenario myself. Therefore, it is completely made up and reason to be further misogynistic." Is all I saw there brother.
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You're probably in good company then, but should still strive to do a lot better.
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I'm glad to hear from someone else who is seeing what I'm seeing.
The sarcastic strong and independent woman vs a stupid man meme has nothing to do with reality whatsoever. The worst part is that it's masking some serious issues society is dealing with.
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