How an Israel music festival turned into a nightmare after Hamas attack
How an Israel music festival turned into a nightmare after Hamas attack
Festival-goers describe mass panic as they fled and hid in bushes as a trance music party came under attack.
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Hard to believe Hamas planned to attack a peaceful music festival. Guess they're not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
Their explicit aim is the complete destruction of Israel. It is incredibly easy to believe. To quote the Hamas charter:
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.
[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
Hamas is explicitly opposed to peace, and it's sole aim is to murder or expel every Jew from the land. Any supporting these attacks needs to asked if this the aim they really want to support.
Hard to justify supporting either side, what with Israel's actions over the years. There is no good side, and the losers will be the average citizens on both sides.
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The music festival was symbolic, look at these people enjoying music at a decadent party, on our LAND, while our people can't even leave this caged city.....
The divide between the haves and have nots is stark, and its going to get people angry... I don't agree with them, but 100% believe they targeted this festival to send a message to their own people
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Both sides are religious assholes. The Israeli just were assholes first. Fuck all their gods.
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People that are saying that Israel started it are not justifying the attack. They’re simply provided context and understanding about why it happened.
You treat people like they’re subhuman it shouldn’t be a surprise that they treat you like your life isn’t worth anything either.
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There's no right coming from this. Nothing good's going to happen from this. Only pain and misery for everyone. Both parties are stuck in a terrible struggle.
I don't know the path to peace here, I don't think anyone really does. That's why we haven't had peace for 50 years.
Yes. They had no thought to the effect it would have on public opinion? Do you see the other headline where Germany will review their aid to Palestine?
Hard for me to believe they would want to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Very short sighted.
hamas don't care about public opinion. The PLO cared. The PLO was largely destroyed from within with much of the power and funding shifting to hamas (allegedly with israeli government support).
Iran allegedly gave them funding and helped them smuggle even more weapons in. They used these to engage in acts of terror. This will lead to more power and support from third parties. And the retaliatory strikes from israel will lead to more recruits from within whatever remains of Palestine when this is over.
But the goal is not to achieve freedom. Because hamas knows it can't rule. At best we would have a debacle like in Afghanistan or any of the islamic state ruled regions/countries. They are just violent warlords who want all the power and "prestige", the right to rape and murder anyone they want, and that is it.
And, much like with israel's atrocities, it is really easy for people to ignore the evil shit hamas does because "they are an oppressed people fighting for survival". That goes out the window when the oppression does.
The PLO, for all its flaws, wanted to become a government. And while they still exist, they are even less influential than the youtubers telling people what to feel about the past 24 hours or so.
Some men just want to see the world burn.
I get what you're saying and can accept that Hamas is this way. I am not up to date on them.
But I do think it is important to point out just how foolish and short sighted it is to be that way. It feels to me like saying the sky is blue but I think it should be said.
You're still approaching this from a completely different, and rather privileged, position. You are expecting to live a long life and want things to be better and so forth
These are violent terrorists who know that, even if everything goes their way, they'll likely die young. So it is about short term benefits and doing what they want now.
Can't blame Germany here. One of the victims was a German woman, which was later seen on the back of a truck, all of her limbs broken / deformed, just in underwear and with a deep wound in the head, paraded around and spat at from even civilians.
To be clear: I am NOT "blaming" Germany. It seems like a rational response to me.
I know, I wasn't disagreeing with you.
Unfortunately I don’t think they have the perspective to think long term. Even when the Palestinians are peaceful, Israel continues to evict them from their homes and steal more of their land in violation of UN accords. It’s incredibly sad that Palestinians are choosing to kill civilians, but the Israel military have targeted Palestinian civilians many times over the past 15 years, and that hasn’t really shifted the public opinion in the west against Israel, so they likely assume there is no hope for western support. These are desperate people that are fighting back in a hopeless lopsided war. They likely know really have no hope of winning at this point, but are trying to take out as much revenge as they can against their oppressors, the Israeli people.
Also, these attacks were likely funded by Iran, and Iran is not as interested in Palestinian freedom as much as they are in the destruction of Israel, so the Palestinians have likely been encouraged to take action that will not help their cause for freedom because it will help Iran with their goals of destabilizing israel. It’s horribly sad all around.