Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ @lemmy.dbzer0.com

2d ago

Torrenting is not allowed on Windscribe

I switched to windscribe last month because the proton CEO starting spewing politcal BS, and I wanted port forwarding that wasn't locked behind a shitty GUI.

As far as I was concerned setup was super easy, the VPN speeds were great, and port forwarding worked really nicely. The whole price for a fixed server and port forward, + unlimited data was a bit much (at $95/year) but for the ease of use and speeds I was getting, I was happy to stick with them.

My setup is a always-on server with a 1gbps connection, where yes, I fucking seed my shit, all of it. I have about 30TB of linux ISOs and counting, and it's rare that my combined upload speed is less than 1MBps, ever.

Which lead me to getting banned from windscribe with no notice or warning in the middle of last week. This lead to me having to spend tracker points to avoid HnR, and i'm also unable to grab any new ISOs until I find a new VPN provider that won't ban me for actually using the service full time.

I did shoot them an email (after talking' with their AI bot first), and they were actually helpful enough. The offered to restore support, so long as I promised to not torrent with them again (which, I honestly did promise not to. I'm not sticking with a VPN service that can't handle me actually using it for what it's advertised for) and they did unban the account. Whole email chain took about three days to get resolved.

My sticking point is that they still have instructions on setting up torrents on their own website, and that they specifically allow for unlimited data (with the plan i paid for) so long as it's just one user. I did not break those rules. After clarifying that in the support email, they still said that I was using too much data (despite the unlimited data advertisement) and that torrenting was not allowed on their service.

TL:DR: Windscribe bans you if you use a lot of data, and support says torrents aren't allowed, despite their website advertising such. Proof in the attached images.

If y'all have any other suggestions for a VPN that allow port forwarding i'd really appreciate it.

Mildly Infuriating @lemmy.world

Viking_Hippie @lemmy.dbzer0.com

2d ago

Torrenting is not allowed on Windscribe

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I think you should give surfshark a go I've been using it for over a year every day all day and it's flawless.

Their own website says they allow p2p so I would see what your options are for getting a refund. If you purchased with a credit card, file a chargeback and include the documentation.

It's definitely a bandwidth usage thing, given their reputation for being informal in communications they could have been a lot nicer about that.
It's really disappointing to see this from them, they were one the best priced VPNs out there claiming to respect privacy. Their support was also super helpful with my questions about their datacenter static IPs.

proton CEO starting spewing politcal BS
Context, please?
- What started it I think is this twitter post praising trump and the republican party: https://xcancel.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660
  He later doubled down on it (if I recall correctly) and the company has generally been making some highly questionable decisions since
  
  Alright, have you actually read his tweet?
  I know you just linked it, but have you actually read it, the context, and given it some thought?
  
  Goddamnit, I just made an email with them, trying to get out of google's monopoly. Does anyone know an email service that doesn't suck?

Since y'all probably know more about VPNs than me, is Mullvad any good? I bought them to use for torrents, though haven't tried seeding anything yet. I assume they're good with that?
Also, anyone know if they're run by MAGA creeps?
- Mullvad are Swedish and the most privacy respecting out there, so that's an excellent choice.
  
  I second this, Mullvad is awesome, and after trying Windscribe, NordVPN, and ProtonVPN, I ended up switching to Mullvad a few weeks ago and I haven't looked back.
- They are who I use, never heard of anything fishy with them.
  The fact that you can pay by mailing in cash is pretty cool.
- You can’t forward ports on mullvad. You know if that matters to you. Airvpn and proton allow port forwarding.
  We are swiftly reaching a time where boycotting companies run by people you disagree with will negatively impact your ability to function. Consider abandoning this type of purchasing in the future.
  
  Username checks out
  
  We are swiftly reaching a time where boycotting companies run by people you disagree with will negatively impact your ability to function. Consider abandoning this type of purchasing in the future.
  Oh no please don't boycott! The current boycotts are actually costing companies money and we can't have people learning that boycotts can actually work!
  
  We are swiftly reaching a time where boycotting companies run by people you disagree with will negatively impact your ability to function. Consider abandoning this type of purchasing in the future.
  LOL
  LMAO, even.
  
  PIA also has port forwarding. I have been using it with great success for several years. Don't know anything about their politics.

Tailscale + mullvad integration works great if you want port forwarding and at about the same price as mullvad VPN.
- How does this work??? I thought I wouldn't be able to use Mullvad with port forwarding. Would I need to have a vps? Would the VPS not disallow me for connecting to VPN or detecting p2p traffic?

What's concerning to me is, how do they know what you use their services for if supposedly they don't keep any logs. https://windscribe.com/privacy/ https://windscribe.com/features/no-identifying-logs/
- There is a big difference between "not keeping logs" and "dont have a way to check what you are doing right now".
  No logs just means they can't check what you did last week but they can always check the traffic you are producing in that moment. If they see traffic from a torrent protocol they know you are torrenting.
  Edit: they do claim they do "No Monitoring" so yeah by their own words they should not be able to tell you are torrenting.
  No Monitoring
  We don’t monitor your activity and have no way of seeing what sites you are visiting. We do store when you last used Windscribe as well as the total amount of data used in a 30 day period (to enforce free account limitations and to prevent abuse).
  
  It doesn't take a genius to guess a forwarded port is used for torrenting though
- It was submitted in the chat…
- Like most any paid VPN service they need to track bandwidth usage somewhat. They can't see what you're accessing but they can see how much of whatever it is. Windscribe also offers a free 10gb/mo plan so they do track it for that purpose as well, much like any VPN with a free tier would.
  
  Sure, they say that they monitor bandwidth usage but how do they know it was used for torrenting.

Ha!
My ISP sends me emails saying (paraphrased) “we’re only forwarding this email because we have to. We don’t track your data and your IP logs are wiped every 30 days. Your best option is not to respond because then they would know who you are.”
- What ISP are you with?

The CEO of Windscribe is an Elon stan so you didn't switch to a more left-leaning provider than Proton.
- I suspect most CEOs are, The vast majority just have enough common sense not to ruin their relations with the 99 percenters.
- Holy shit, you're not lying. The literal first Post on his Twitter

“It’s not allowed… especially in the amounts you do it” LMAO. It’s against the rules but we let him murder some people, just so long as it doesn’t get out of hand 🤪
- Perhaps murder is a bit extreme. It's more like "we've noticed you're taking woodchips from the playground. That's not allowed. We wouldn't mind if you were just taking a few chips, but you've taken 2 tons."
  [edit] But putting analogies aside, the service really should make rules and restrictions like this clear in advance. That seems like the real failing here, rather than the rule itself.
  
  If the service is advertised as no data limit, aka "take as man woodchips as you like" they shouldn't track back on it.
  
  More like they operate a tollroad to the playground and are concerned about why there's so many trucks of wood chips costing them much more to maintain the road to the playground. And OP freely admitted they're taking truckloads of woodchips from the playground.
  Except the analogy also doesn't work because ultimately piracy isn't taking, it's just copying and sharing copies. There isn't really a good analogy without directly describing digital distribution and piracy. Maybe an analogy involving a solar farm and a transmission company? Except that gets into technical details that are just as technical as just explaining it as it is
- I'll let you in on some reality about sysadmins: we generally don't care what you're doing until it causes problems. Clearly this guy's amount of traffic did.
  So yeah, absolutely. This is normal and reasonable.
  It has to be against the rules for situations exactly like this where OP should be using a seedbox. But generally, they have better things to do than track down every little minor rule abuse.
  Like playing their own pirated games while wfh. Or fixing other problems. Most teams of people who support shit like this are understaffed.
  For instance, I'm sure that people are using my work network for all sorts of shit. I've seen people streaming Netflix to their desks. We lock down what we can, and don't worry about shit until we have to because it's causing a problem. Like years ago when someone streamed Netflix at an old location with I think only a T1 connection, saturated the network connection, and then no one could access anything on the network.
  Most people don't go around looking for reasons to enforce the rules. They use them when they have to because there's a problem.
  
  We don't even care about customers going way over their license until they give us a reason to. You pay for 500 users, you have 2000 and are using the platform as a barely compressed 4k video hosting service which it really isn't designed for. Then you also complain about performance?
  Homestly if they didn't act so shitty when raising a support ticket over it we probably would have continued to not care about it. Being a dick about it though and we will look for any reason to tell you to fuck off.
- if somebody does a little torrenting you can just hand wave it, but if someone is doing all of the torrenting, you pretty clearly know about it.
- Well obviously. A severe violation of anything is considered worse by pretty much anyone.

I thought this was your Internet service provider. This is a VPN service? Holy shit what's the point of a VPN with rules like this. Fuck em. I use proton and am looking to switch because the CEO is a right-winger but they don't pull this shit.
- Holy shit what’s the point of a VPN with rules like this.
  Maybe I just want to pay $8 per month to change my Netflix (which I also pay $20 per month for) in order to watch different shows from another country. 👉👈
  
  Does that even work? These companies know the IP ranges of many VPNs and block them.
  
  You could pay less for that stranger but understandable
- AirVPN (Eddie) has port forwarding. The interface isn't very appealing and their website is meh, but it works and I got a great deal on a 3 year subscription.

I use airvpn with an always on server setup, port forwarding, and constant seeding. If you're okay with manually using a wireguard or openvpn client instead of an airvpn specific client it works great.
Edit Plus, they have a progressive pricing thing that lets you buy a few days for like 2€ just to test stuff.
- AirVPN is perfect. Works flawlessy with gluetun, only thing the website is kinda outdated, but I can't remember the last time I got on there so who cares
- AirVPN!!! Its really great.

Meh, switch to usenet. Download as much as you want, at max bandwidth 100% of the time, with 0 need for a vpn and no obligation to re-seed content for months on end.
- Do you have a guide or something to get started? I've considered doing this a couple of times, but haven't had the bandwidth to dig in and figure it out.
  
  In short, you need three things: (here's what I've been using)
  An indexer: NZBgeek Just like a torrent indexer, but for .nzb files instead of .torrents
  A provider: Frugal Usenet Where you're downloading data from.
  And a client: SabNZBD
  When it comes to which provider to choose; pretty much all of them provide similar retention and unlimited data cap, so you really just need to look for something nearby. Often people will recommend having 2 providers one covered by DMCA and one covered by NTD to make content more available; but I've not really noticed a need.
  Map of providers
  
  I don't have a guide, but I knew nothing about it and it took me like 15-30 minutes total of googling and researching to set it all up.
  nzbgeek.info and newshosting.com
  
  Good on you! Usenet has been around for DECADES.
  I don't have a guide that's modern. I'm just remembering how I used to connect in the 90s-2000s.

I'd recommend AirVPN. Here's why I'd recommend them, in their own words:
No traffic limit. No time limit.
No maximum speed limit, it depends only on the server load
Every protocol is welcome, including p2p. Forwarded ports and DDNS to optimize your software.
- As a rule, the more outdated a service's website is, the better the service is.
  
  It's funny that you mentioned this, because the crappy website is one of the things that sold me on it. It reminds me of the old internet.
  It's also surprisingly affordable, I got a 3 year subscription for something like $60. I was during a sale.
- AirVPN seems really good, I liked Mullvad but unfortunately they dropped port forwarding which really ruined them as a VPN service for Torrenting.
  
  Same here. Switched from Mullvad to AirVPN once they dropped port forwarding. I have had several issues with the Eddie client, but wound up dropping it in favor of gluetun and Wiresock with Wireguard configs and have had zero issues.
  
  I switched to AirVPN about 6 months ago and I've been really happy with the service. Was previously using NordVPN, which was fine, but I was looking for a VPN provider that offered port forwarding and AirVPN does that. I don't have hard stats on this, but I do feel that having access to port forwarding has improved my overall torrent speeds since switching.
- Came to give AirVPN a shoutout too. Been with them since 7 years. Using both their client and native wireguard kernel module. Very happy.
- Sounds like an all “you can eat” buffet with king crab legs that you never get because assholes keep taking them all whenever a new batch is put out. If it hasn’t devolved to that yet, then enjoy it while you can.
  
  Air is actually good, but they don't have a lot of fast servers. You are naturally limited by the server you choose and peering.

Windscribe encrypts your browsing activity, blocks ads, and unblocks entertainment content
so that was a lie
- I think that refers to geoblocked content.
  
  Agreed, but that's also weird. Suddenly they're the arbiter of what rules are okay to break and what aren't? Sounds like they're just trying to keep costs/traffic down.

Seems like something that could fit here
https://wiki.rossmanngroup.com/wiki/Main_Page

A search of the comments didn't turn up any mention of seedboxes. So I'll throw that hat in the ring as an option.

Wasn't sure if this was the right place, but I figured someone should know about this. For what it's worth, I would actually recommend windscribe if you don't plan on doing torrents all the time, or you have sub 1gbps internet. Just sucks that I hit their "unlimited" internet limits on my home connection.
They have a page on their site about chargebacks. They're confidant they'll win them, but they still ban because it costs them money. I've done one anyways; as far as my reading of their tos goes, I was in the right. Might as well make this experience cost both of us money, instead of just them.
Their guide for using torrents with their service; https://windscribe.com/knowledge-base/articles/using-windscribe-with-torrent-clients/
Their FAQ on bandwidth and chargebacks: https://windscribe.com/knowledge-base/articles/why-did-my-account-get-disabled/
- They have a page on their site about chargebacks. They're confidant they'll win them
  The portion about chargebacks refers to being outside the refund period, nothing to do with p2p or bandwidth caps.
- The fact that they have anti-chargeback wording on their public website speaks volumes. I bet they have anti-union posters in their breakroom too. Fuck this company!
- Lmao I like the tl;drs on TOS page. Some of them are a little reductive, but it's still better than making it a giant illegible block

It sounds like they banned you for excessive usage. They allow at least 1tb a month because ive used that amount regularly with them.
It is a bit misleading for them to be calling it "unlimited" tho
- It is a bit misleading
  If it's limited, it isn't unlimited. That looks like a lie to me, and not "a bit misleading".
  
  Which is why they said the issue was torrenting and not using too much data. It's an unlimited plan and they would never think to put a limit on data usage. They just object to torrenting and it's pure coincidence that they only object to that when someone is using a lot of data.
- It's not "a bit misleading" for them to call it unlimited and then ban people for using too much data, it's extremely misleading, almost bordering on scammy. If I were OP I would've done a chargeback and switched VPNs instead of begging them for an unban. They deserve it for lying and trying to deceive customers. Vote with your wallet (and chargebacks) if you want companies to stop doing shitty shady like this.
  
  it's extremely misleading, almost bordering on scammy
  It's neither of those things either. "Misleading" indicates their representations were technically true, but it sounds like this is just a straight up lie.
  
  The unban was just to check if the refund process would go through. Since it didn't then I did a chargeback.
- I don't think this is misleading. Misleading is when you use technically true facts to draw someone towards an incorrect conclusion. Calling a plan unlimited then having a limit is more like fraudulent if you ask me.
  
  Buried deep in the terms of service where nobody will ever read will be a "reasonable use" clause. That's the justification for why it wouldn't count as a fraud.
  I do agree however that as a consumer we are constantly being defrauded by corporations free to do whatever they wish without repercussions.
  
  I agree, but the 40gb limit on my phones "unlimited" plan seem to disagree with reality, as does the $30 per 500gb comcast would charge me if i use over 1.2tb....
  Not saying it isnt false advertising, but its how a lot of internet service providers choose to advertise things these days.
- "a bit". this post just proves they are lying all around
  
  Didn't the, do the same with the lifetime VPN for 10€/year and later stated the lifetime is meant to be Putin's lifetime, i.e. when he dies the offer expires? Same with the 40gb/month for free which they randomly changed...

“Unlimited” isn’t a promise any provider can reasonably keep anyway. It’s bullshit—there’s always a limit. Always read the fine print and find out what the limit is to make sure it works for you before buying. If the limit isn’t stated now, it will be as soon as somebody really puts it to the test. Either that, or the company will go out of business, which will permanently limit your use of their services.
- Not really. Unlimited means no data cap, not infinite bandwidth, and that's perfectly reasonable to provide. Data isn't a limited resource, the only thing that's committed is the amount you can get right at that second.
  
  Agreed that a monthly data cap is stupid for a VPN, because to your point, bandwidth and number of simultaneous connections are the real constraints for a VPN service, which is why most VPNs limit connections and bandwidth. Limiting these does effectively set a monthly data cap, though, and you won’t be torrenting a petabyte a month for $5 no matter what. “Unlimited” is bullshit either way and it’s best to understand what the limits are and how they’re enforced.
  
  Unlimited means no data cap, not infinite bandwidth
  How is limited bandwidth not a data cap? When you multiply a bandwidth limit x the number of days, hours, minutes, etc in a month, it sure looks like a data cap to me.

Thanks for the warning!
I’m not trying to convince you either way, but can you point to the ‘political BS’ Proton guy said that made you flip? I use Proton and also veer hard left wherever politics are concerned, and I personally think the whole thing is way overblown. I may have missed something though, happy to hear otherwise, because in my understanding all he did was soft-endorse someone who identifies as republican at the moment
- Here's the exact post that got the Proton CEO in trouble:
  Maybe Gail Slater really is a great pick for Assistant Attorney General for the Antitrust Division. Frankly, I have no idea. But I won't do business with any company that carries any water whatsoever for Trump.
  
  He also went on Reddit and defended his statements by saying he wasn't familiar with American politics and he's sorry if he triggered people. So he's claiming to be unaware of thing because he doesn't engage in American politics, and at the exact same time, he's using right-wing talking points like misusing the term "triggered" to mean "upset left-leaning people". Something he could only have picked up if he's lurking in right-wing spaces.
- Yeah I'm with you. I'm more pissed with Proton for disengaging via Mastodon than at the stupid CEO - but none if it is a good reason enough to opt for lesser services. Proton's doing good stuff.
  
  The strong other half of my reasoning was port forwarding being locked to GUI. I use a lot of scripts to keep my server restart process simple.
- Everyone bases their opinion off that one out-of-context tweet, but if you actually take the time to evaluate the context you'll find it's extremely unlikely that Andy Yen (Proton CEO) is a "Trump supporter". At worst, he is a rationalist who wants to continue Proton's work with the US administration regardless of who is president, rather than having a tantrum and trying to virtue signal boycott and achieve nothing for 4+ years. Unfortunately a lot of people on the left would rather circlejerk in their online cope chambers like Lemmy and Bluesky rather than actually engage with reality.
  
  I was one of the people who based my opinion of Proton on that tweet and swore off them until someone else shared that link with me. It's excellent, thorough, and makes a convincing case that Yang is actually left-leaning. I can only assume that you're getting downvotes from people who haven't read it.

Odd. I’ve been torrenting with them for years at this rate. Even have my media server up 24/7 with qBittorrent running. I guess I’ll have to find an alternative in case this winds up happening to me.
- Same I've been using them for years without issue. This guy must have been using MASSIVE amounts of data.
  
  About 8TiB upload and 2TiB download over the course of this whole mess. I don't have exact numbers because WRT stopped counting for some reason, but I can infer based on January numbers.

Them calling it "unlimited" when there's a limit is wrong, but so is using all of the available upload bandwidth 100% of the time on a cheap home VPN service when you consider the current market prices for data transfer. Mine's limited to 2Mbps. Seems fair for $7/month or whatever it is.
Edit: Oh right it was 2Mbps. I spent 20 minutes surveying datacentre prices around the world to come up with that number, but bandwidth prices vary widely and might've changed by now.
- Them calling it “unlimited” when there’s a limit is wrong, but so is using all of the available upload bandwidth 100% of the time on a cheap home VPN service when you consider the current market prices for data transfer. Mine’s limited to 2Mbps. Seems fair for $7/month or whatever it is.
  they shouldn't make it unlimited them, skill issue on their part.
  If you're selling me 1Gb networking speeds, with no bandwidth limit, it's not my fault for using all of it lol. I'm just using what i pay for.
  
  That's technically within your legal rights I guess, just like (depending what the fine print says) it's within their rights to throttle all your traffic one way or another to a low speed including the stuff you actually need to go faster. The places that always have low speeds for everyone are like that because they're designed to cater to people who don't give a shit about what their fair share might be and just want to max out their connection. Those services are fine for torrenting, useless for everything else. Windscribe isn't one of those but it could become one if enough of its users think like you and insist on it.
  Hopefully they'll set a soft 2TB limit or something before they do that, though.

Look in to I2P

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/

Thanks for the note OP. Which VPN providers are you looking at for public torrents?

Switch to ProtonVPN, they don't have any problem with Torrents and allow unlimited bandwidth usage. Windscribe can go fuck themselves
- OP says they switched away from Proton in the first sentence.
  
  Man if OP has problems with CEOs then no one can help them, 90% of the CEOs are greedy retards who'd sell their kids for money if they could

Try a debrid provider. Preferably one without ridiculous filtering and an api (rip real-debrid).
- I just got real debrid a month or two back for torrentio in streamio... Is it dead?
  
  yeah, but there's other debrid providers which work with it.

You're going to be very hard pressed in finding a VPN that supports torrenting. People abuse it. That's why mullvad pulled port forwarding support.
Additionally people misinterpret what they can do even if their VPN does support torrenting. It's still illegal to use their service to torrent anything other than legal torrents...which almost no one does, which is why VPN providers aren't lining up to show their support for the torrent network.
There are no services available to you that allow you indiscriminately to torrent illegal content. It's always illegal and against TOS to torrent someone elses IP.
- Mullvad didn’t pull port forwarding because of people abusing torrenting. They pulled it because interpol resorted to telling everyone to block their servers after mullvad wouldn’t/couldn’t assist in its investigation into csam sharing across forwarded ports using stuff as simple as the windows file and printer sharing system.
  What caused them to pull port forwarding was the threat of being dropped from the routing table over stonewalling a police investigation into csam, not torrenting.
  This is well documented and reflects the experience of many mullvad users including myself over the time period that it occurred. Saying that the decision had anything to do with torrenting is just false.
- Every part of your comment is wrong or false. Air, O, Proton. There's 3 that are "mainstream".
  There's multitudes of smaller providers that allow it.
  Mullvad removed it because of CP and extremist content being hosted behind mullvad. It had nothing to do with torrenting as they had no problem with it for the many years.
  Many countries don't even acknowledge DMCA. Some have their own that have higher criteria for enforcement like the NL, others just don't care. Hosted many things out of Vietnam, Kosovo, Hungary, etc.
  
  It's evident to me that you're either stupid, or lack the ability to read. You make up your mind on which is which.
  It's not possible for a company, no matter where they are in the world to permit users to do things which are illegal. Period. Proton cannot allow their users to use their VPN to use the torrent network to download IP. As with any company anywhere in the world. To live in some state of reality to be unable to acknowledge this is the most insane shit I've ever seen in my life. You literally are living outside of reality here... The sheer level of stupidity here is fucking insane to me, so I'll try one last time to put it into perspective for you;
  I've said "Murder is illegal, no matter where you are. You can't just kill people" and you've said quite unironically "GLOCK allows their customers to kill people, they've made murder legal."
  Do you genuinely not see how fucking idiotic and stupid you sound?
  Many countries don’t even acknowledge DMCA.
  This also has nothing to do with DMCA--which is a US law and cannot be enforced in other parts of the world. As I've said from the very beginning, theft of IP (torrent or otherwise) is individually illegal in all but less than 5 countries on this planet... It doesn't matter how you do it, or where you do it. It's always going to be illegal because all of the countries from which these VPN providers originate, it's illegal in those countries.
  I've done my very best to explain this very simple concept to you--that you can't break the law just because you're behind a VPN and they don't actively pursue you for every little infraction--but if you still don't understand it after all this, then do us both a favor and just take a vow of silence for the rest of your pitiable life.
  I mean Jesus Christ.
- Mullvad didn't remove port forwarding because people were torrenting too much they removed it because people were using it for real criminal activity like hacking and CP and they were getting heat for it.
  I have no idea why you're mentioning legal versus illegal torrenting as laws differ everywhere, they're not banning OP for illegal activity, they're not scanning all your files to determine whether it's legal IP or not, and they're banning him for using too much bandwidth.
  
  Mullvad didn’t remove port forwarding because people were torrenting too much they removed it because people were using it for real criminal activity
  Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, pirating IP is illegal. The statement you just made is unabashedly stupid beyond all measure. Everything you listed are crimes.
  I have no idea why you’re mentioning legal versus illegal torrenting as laws differ everywhere
  There are less than 5 countries on the planet where pirating IP isn't illegal. This isn't a "well, it's illegal in Arizona, but not in Idaho!" type of deal. It's essentially illegal in every sovereign country on the planet save for a few.
  This community is so incredibly naive and stupid sometimes. I swear to God.
- People abuse it
  My Man, unless you buy all the bullshit that YouTubers claim VPNs do, the only reason to get one is to torrent
  There are no services available to you that allow you indiscriminately to torrent illegal content. They simply don't exist.
  Yes, most VPNs will allow you to do that just fine. And they exist for years.
  
  My Man, unless you buy all the bullshit that YouTubers claim VPNs do, the only reason to get one is to torrent
  This is one of the top 10 dumbest statements I've ever seen on the internet and shows a total and complete lack of understanding what a VPN is, and what it does.
  Yes, most VPNs will allow you to do that just fine.
  There are currently 2-3 countries where torrenting IP isn't illegal. Unless you have a VPN in one of these countries, there are no conditions where its "allowed," because it's entirely illegal. Even if it's not expressly outlined in a services TOS it's still illegal, and therefore not allowed. Even if they expressly permit it, it's still illegal, and therefore not allowed.
  I absolutely fucking beg you to use the brain you were given and stop embarrassing your parents who put time and energy into raising you.

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