Yay! More centralisation!

Stop making good the enemy of perfect!
- Yeah, anything to get them from reddit is good.
  Plus, once they get a feel for Lemmy and the wider fediverse, they can then migrate their account elsewhere.
  
  Some of them maybe, but a lot are super toxic and I just hope they stay on reddit and make each other suffer rather than the good ppl on lemmy.
- Anywhere but:
  lemmy[.]ml
  lemmygrad[.]ml
  lemmy[.]world
  he xbea r[.]net
  
  I hate the communists on this platform developed by communists
  
  Now explain why to the masses.
  
  "I hate centralization, we should do less centralization"
  posts a list of instances to avoid, 3/4 of which are actually much smaller in active users than his own, presumably just all instances he politically disagrees with
  
  Facts
  
  Don't forget:
  vegantheoryclub [.] org
  tankies
  
  Generally a result of decentralization is that subjectively bad instances can arise, but the entire point of decentralization is that they can exist. I don't consider it a weak point.
  
  So like the big servers that everyone's on, gotcha
  
  Here fucking here. 3 are blatantly full of Nazis and one is just Reddit.

The cold truth is that to onboard people in greater numbers you need a default instance recommendation. You just do. You absolutely cannot ask potential new users (many of which will - hopefully - be casual and not so tech savvy) to sit down and undertake a multi hour research project into finding an appropriate small instance for them. You cannot reasonably expect people to look into uptime, funding and defederation lists to make an informed decision about where to register. You just need them through the door and posting and commenting and voting.
Making a new account somewhere else is super easy and painless once they're already here. We just need to get them here.
- I found it pretty easy: pick an instance of your country. Support local instances!!
- Just tell them to go to your favourite instance. Easy.
- It's too bad there isn't a way to just have one location for everyone to create an account, like a lemmy.com, and then the last step during account creationg is to select your preferred instance for the account, maybe from like a drop down list that has a small blurb about the rules and expectations for that instance and a list of top 10 hosted communities, and maybe even a random choice option, and then you can go back to that main area to switch your instance later if need be.
  
  When I first found Lemmy, it was through https://join-lemmy.org/ which is similar to what you are describing.
  Though it recommended me to join lemmy.ml, and apparently it's a controversial one, so I don't know if that worked out well...
  
  Yeah you left out the hours of research to figure out what each instance is actually about and the years of abuse and power trips that have occured under different leadership, and also the dropdown includes defederated instances.
  I started on blahaj, but they are NOT an inclusive and healthy LGBTQ community so I had to move but I didn't want to go through all the effort again so I joined .world
- I agree as I am one such case. I created an account like a year and a half ago and got so overwhelmed with it I just ignored it. Even the explainer I found was just too much. Finally a couple weeks ago I remembered it given all the Reddit is compromised stuff. I found my login info. I also happened to have had a gummy so I was in the right high mindset to just go down a rabbithole and finally figured it out. I still don't really understand how Lemmy interacts with like Mastodon or Pixelfed etc.
- Lemm.ee is the default instance new users should use.
  
  That would expose new users to Hexbear, and I don't think new users would stay long after accidentally provoking them with wrongthink and getting spammed with pig testicle pics and insults. That was my experience when I first joined Lemmy and it wasn't pleasant. Lemm.ee's hands-off approach to defederation can be both a blessing and a curse, and I'm not sure it'd be best for new users to be exposed to some of the worst of Lemmy.
  
  Because they haven't defereated from the tankies yet?
  This is why research is important

- Agreed
  I started on world and quickly began hopping.
  
  joined on world, couldnt see piracy and the hopping began
  
  Thank you for spreading!
- I guess so, but I really think we should recommend another instance this time around.
- The open-source nature of Lemmy would enable great migration tools.
  
  The devs seem opposed to letting users migrate accounts though.
  The issue for moving comms has been open since last year.
- I don't really get how to get into that. How do you find instances with more than 10 people on them ? Plus like you said, I have to make a new account for every instance which is super annoying
  
  You don't need an account for every instance. For example, I am on lemm.ee, you are on lemmy.world, but I can reply to your comment.
  Every instance shares the same content.
  
  You can use https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy to find the smollest ones.

I don't see the issue with recommending a generic instance, if your intend is to convert the generic user. It certainly is a better experience than saying 'ok, so choose what you like from this list of instances' and they don't even know the implications or what that means.
The overcomplication of Lemmy is an issue, and this behavior tries to avoid that.
- Recommending generic instances is good, but please don't recommend that generic instance.
  
  Eh why not, might mellow them out a little

I'm just going to post this old post again.
or for the lazy
- Can we recommend another generic instance? .world has a few problems plaguing it right now.
  
  You're on one of them already, IMO
  The other one I have in mind is mine. Lemmy.zip even DM a starter guide after sign up.

a generic instance is what most users need to actually make the move, if they like it or understand it better later they might choose a different insurance later, if not who cares they can still interact with others.

Honestly, if they're on reddit, they're probably libs and that's the closest to a default instamce. They complain enough about the leftist instances that the leftist adjecent folks will find their way eventually. It's fine.
- Idk, I'd consider myself a liberal and i find lemmy.world borderline insufferable a lot of the time

Well it is lemmy.world, so it makes sense that it should contain everyone in the world /j
- We need lemmy.multiverse
  
  We need a multiverse tld.
- I see a lot of wackos from there.

lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post. vpn is basic internet hygiene. do not go to lemmy.world if you care about that, our you will not be able to post.
you can join any federated instance instead.
one day later edit: i took my information from this post of a lemmy.world admin: https://lemmy.world/comment/12079632
I was made aware that users are able to post on lemmy.world while using a vpn. maybe their stance has changed?
aside from that, try to avoid joining the biggest instance and join smaller, federated instances instead. this reduces load and avoids centralization.
- vpn is basic internet hygiene
  according to vpn companies
  
  9 out 10 VPN companies recommend hiding your IP address.
- lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post.
  That is definitely not true. I'm using one right now, and there is a VPN community at !vpn@lemmy.world.
  
  https://lemmy.world/comment/12079632
  is this resolved then? i will update my comment to correctly reflect the current situation then :)

What do you want them to do? Select an instance at random, to spread them out?
- Yeah, this is just stupid. I wish a significant amount of redditors would go to lemmy.world
  I mean, what do you want to tell them to join? Something called "mander.xyz"? "sopuli.xyz"? Maybe something like sh.itjust.works, jlai.lu or yall.theatl.social? I'd feel awkward enough telling them to join "Lemmy" then linking to lemm.ee. Sending them to lemmy.ml would just be cruel.
  
  I picked lemmy.world because it sounded the least sus
  
  lemm.ee wasnt off to me but yeah lemmyworld seemed like the better just because it had lemmy in the name lmao, lemmy.ca maybe

"Lemmy is great, you can choose whatever instance you want! But fuck you if you choose that one."
- No, don't recommend that one. I don't care if you're on LW, its just not a great idea to recommend it to newcomers.
  
  Can't I change instances if I want? Seems like having a landing zone would be a good thing. Picking a server to join for your initial setup is really confusing for the less tech inclined. That on-boarding process bounces tons of users and making it simpler up front would be best for growth.
  This is all moot if you can't change the server your account is on and my b if I'm wrong on that one.
  
  Well when .ee defederates from the tankies they can join the adult community

Makes sense.
Lemmy.world is filled with censorship and genocide apologists. It’s basically an exact clone of Reddit’s culture of smug libs that look down their noses at other poor people while working tirelessly against their own best interest by supporting corrupt oligarchs that weaponize identity politics as a highly effective dog whistle.
- Hey! I'll have you know I was onboarded from reddit because I can't possibly be asked to understand federation much less the preferred instance or any of the politics of this place before arriving. I saw an easy way in and I took it, because my anti-genocide tirades got me banned from reddit and so far haven't from here. Idk how to control which part of lemmy I'm in much less the one I come from. I am not, however, a "lemmy.world-er" I just live here
  
  Welcome!
  Now that the election is over and the shitlibs on world can pretend that Trump is the only demagogue to blame for the ongoing genocide, you might be fine.
  If I were you, I’d switch before you share your opinion somewhere that kescusay@lemmy.world or jordanlund@lemmy.world can censor or even ban you.
  I’ve seen people banned and their comments removed for having the audacity to question the official braindead Reddit hivemind lib narrative (pro-DNC no matter how demonstrably corrupt they get because “have you seen the other guys?”, anti-Single-Payer, conveniently pro-Ukraine while hypocritically anti-Palestine).
  It’s pretty easy to switch nowadays.
- While there is wackos on .world, this is mostly because of .world's slowdowns and delays.
  
  Yeah. I started on world and accidentally made my password too long to ever login again. It was a wonderful accident.

I will never understand why people want to go from reddit to a place that's just as shitty as reddit in all the same ways
- No one on reddit likes reddit.com. The people there are there just for the userbase. The actual software is shit, lemmy.world has been more stable than reddit at times.

I was forced to go to Lemmy after the post-inauguration bloodbath, but Ive liked it a lot, more than Reddit in many ways. I was getting really tired of the bots, puns, Russian Propganda, novelty accounts, TROLLS, etc.
OTOH, I feel like I can speak much more freely on Lemmy. Even before I got permabanned, Reddits Free Speech mission had become non-existent.
The downside of Lemmy is that some of my favorite subs don't have an equivalent on Lemmy. For instance, the Reddit guitar subs are very active, but the few Lemmy guitar forums are nearly empty, with posts that are days, weeks, months, and even years, apart. I tried Googling "Lemmy Guitar" for ideas, and literally every link was about Motorhead.
So I welcome more quality Reddit immigrants, as long as all the Trolls stay over there.
- Help build the guitar community, tell the people on reddit to come here instead. I will do the same.
  
  I can't, I'm permabanned. I tried getting around it several times, with new account names, but each one lasted a shorter and shorter time, as the algorithm honed in on me. My first alt lasted a few weeks, my last one was caught within an hour.
  I do like the idea of building the Guitar community here at Lemmy, I'm just not familiar enough with the system to know how to do that. Do we start a new forum, or take over an existing one? Do we have just one and put EVERYTHING in there, or do we split it up between various subjects - general, lessons, performances, gear, amps, etc.?
- some comms you're gonna need to build

It's literally just the Lemmy arm of Reddit. Same rules, same mods, same centrist users.

I registered with blahaj first but I couldn't. Log in after a couple of months and never found a solution.
I came to Lemmy on my own but felt forced I to .World.
- There are other generalist or niche instances beyond .world

Part of the problem is that there isn't a really good onboarding process that doesn't involve getting people to join smaller instances.
Based on dev comments, they seem happy with Lemmy staying small, so there isn't an organization pushing for an equal distribution of new members.

It's one of the largest and one of the easiest to join. I'm certainly not going to suggest Pawb for 90% of people unless I know they are a furry, and I would never recommend .ml. SJW would be second, and I might suggest db0 if it doesn't make you fill out an essay to join (I haven't made an account there).

First post on Lemmy! and oh my word… never seen such an eclectic mix of flavours of people, positions and politics in a long time.
This decentralised thing could actually be a good thing: pulls people away from bubbles and echo chambers!
Just remember to play nice :)
- Welcome!
- Welcome!

As long as they have more than two brain cells to click together. If they can't get past the tiny technical barrier to entry then they can go somewhere else.
- What you're saying is "reddit is fine, it can stay the front page of the internet, I don't mind"

i said it before but lemmy hates new users
- I don't hate new users. Just, please recommend another instance to newcomers.

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.world as far as I can tell, is a fairly good starting point for reddit refugees (like myself). I'm still annoyed by the lack of multis, so in order to keep my interests organized I have to have multiple accounts, but I'm otherwise fairly happy with it. Might migrate to another instance purely to get away from the .world vs .ml drama, and I'd encourage other reddit refugees to also migrate instances after becoming familiar with how lemmy works.

It's the worst. I wish people would stop doing that.

- Then someone will forget what instance they are on and avoid lemmy.

Lemmy.ml/Lemmygrad.ml/Hexbear = Tankies
Lemmy.world = Wackos
Sh.itjust.works = Jerks
- Whats the dirt on SJW? I haven't really seen much bad stuff from them.
  
  It’s just that the userbase isn’t as friendly as they could be. They were defed from Beehaw for that reason.
- Lemmy.ca = Hosers
- At least I know where I need to make my next account on
  Thanks!
- At least they aren't shudders Canadians...
  
  Sh.itjust.works is Canadian.
  It's also not for jerks, I don't get that one at all.
  OK, I may be a jerk admittedly, but I'm not here for like minded community. I'm here for a fast reliable instance with minimal restrictions and good uptime.
  
  Hey, some of us are fond of Canadians, that's why I'm on sh.itjust.works. It's got a nice vibe.