We messed up somewhere along the way
We messed up somewhere along the way
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/8286702
We messed up somewhere along the way
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/8286702
It’s not fully that simple. A lot of food plants were artificially created through selective breeding in the distant past. A lot of the reason the world is even able to sustain the level of agriculture that it currently does is through the desperate application of research and massive effort to keep it going, to make sure everyone gets fed.
I mean it’s not wrong, the same people giving you the credit score aren’t doing a damn thing to keep any of that going and in fact are actively working against the people who do keep it going. But the cushy type of agriculturally supported life we get to enjoy was a product of bigger scale organization and massive day-to-day effort, it wasn’t a casualty of it.
It really is amazing how far crop yields have come in the last century or two. Up 44% per acre since the 50's. The Green Revolution
A horrific example: Fritz Haber
He simultaneously created humanity's ability to sustain life and destroy it
Even lemons aren't real. All my life I've feared life giving me something that is just an artificially bred monstrosity.
Hey, did you know lemons and oranges are basically the same thing, just one has the left-handed version of the flavor molecule and one has the right-handed?
It's not true. They just have totally different compositions of a variety of the same family of chemicals, and lemons have many times over more acid in them which is what makes them sour. But some people think it, and it would be super cool if it was true.
That's a good point, but it also drives population growth through less famine/starvation, which creates land scarcity, which creates (more) land ownership, which limits or stops individuals being able to forrage for themselves - which is what the meme is referring to. As you say, it's complicated, but the way human society has developed has resulted in the majority of individuals not being able to feed themselves for free and, amongst other factors, now needing a credit score to survive!
Nobody has ever been able to feed themselves "for free". Instead of wandering the Earth spending entire days picking small, underdeveloped plants that are difficult to eat and have little nutrition, now we just do a little work and buy selectively bred food.
Food costs us way less time now than it did in a prehistoric society.
Rich people. The answer for how things went wrong is always rich people.
The problem is greed, and it's very deeply ingrained in human nature, even if a lot of humans don't have it or control it.
Even collectively as an species we are too greedy.
The good news is there are simple solutions for when people take too much from the commons.
And who support rich people? Where do you spend your money?
Capitalism is a form of feudalism. A few people own everything and the rest have to work for them or starve. Get caught trying to live off the land that some wealthy prick says he owns, even though he may have never seen it, and you get punished, maybe killed.
Me: "Sorry, I gotta go get ready for work."
God: "What the fuck is work?"
Me: "It's a thing you do to make money."
God: "What the fuck is money?"
Me: "Something you need to buy food."
God: "Buy food? I left food all over the floor for you!"
God dam I hate these low effort meme reposts.
What's the matter babe, you've hardly touched your
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Credit scores will look like a godsend compared to what's coming in our not-so-distant future
Born too late to buy a house and support a family on a single income. Born to early to experience the perfection of being a crab. Born just in time to finance my rented sleeping pod with credit leveraged against future dream-embedded advertisements for VPNs revenue and die of a seizure because the implant reacted badly to my 51% microplastic brain.
There's literally nothing wrong with credit scores--they reward good borrowers, and for bad borrowers, a bad credit score is equivalent for them to there being no scores.
Without credit scores, all borrowers get treated like the ones who don't repay their debts, instead of only the ones who actually don't.
Granted humanity had to work pretty hard to get the planet to grow enough food. A lot of selective breeding went into making the food we eat today what it is, and in order to achieve that you had to invent agriculture and everything that came with it.
I don't agree with anarcho-primitivists, but there's a huge gap between "mmm, those spikes are growing exactly where I threw the husks of the same spikes I foraged" and having to finance a Domino's pizza.
Is "spikes" a euphemism for durian?
Well, back in the day, Grok Mugrock decided he could grow a lot more raspberries if he had plenty of wooden posts to build all the necessary supports required to maximize his productivity. Since Grok spent all his days growing raspberries, what he really needed was to barter resources with Ughugh Buh, who could provide him with all the wooden posts he needed. Problem was, Ughugh had heard this story countless times before, and way too often he would give people wooden posts in hopes of getting produce in return, only to be burnt by low lifes and scam artists. So, Ughugh decided to confer with the electric rocks and determine score for Grok that gives a very general assurance that Grok will pay many raspberry for wood posts. So Ughugh helps Grok, Grok pays back raspberries, and that asshole Goodoo get nothing because he make promise he does not intend to keep. Happy Day until sabertooth kills them all.
tl;dr We Have capitalism because some douchebag didn't keep his promise.
It's weird reading the responses talking about how much work it took to get humans fed. Folks, every other "lesser" creature on this planet has done it while finding balance. Humans are the outlier. We truly seem more like a sickness that's infected an otherwise health host than an "intelligent" ape.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but those other creatures achieve balance with nature through continuous cycles of mass die offs or constant predation. I definitely agree that measures should be taken to make humans less of a burden on our ecosystem, but following examples of our local animal friends is not an attractive option.
We sure are good at killing both huge numbers of humans and animals causing many of the mass die -offs you're referencing...
It might not be an attractive offer to you, but I don't want to be here for 75 years as I decline both physically and mentally so some rich asshole can continue to pillage what's left of who I am for a few more pennies.
Have you heard about ants?
I have...
You think food just grows on trees?
Just the right season to start !foraging@lemm.ee
Clue: the planet grows it but doesn't gather it for you, or drive it to your house and hand it to you.
Also it doesn't grow food so easily. Many plants we eat have been cultivated from smaller, bitter, harder versions. Thorns and marsh have been cleared. Processing tools invented and made. Trade between different areas that grow different things at different times. Cultivation of billionaires to ruin everything for everyone.
Well, that's not the problem.
The problem is that the children do not inherit the Earth, the wealthiest old people demand that our access to land is earned. If we go out and live off it, we are punished.
How do you think the hunter-gatherers got their food? They didn't drive around delivering berries to each other while worrying about credit scores.
When we started doing agriculture it wasn't because we wanted to: we did it kicking and screaming.
So, over a six thousand years span of time, they went from 0% dependent on agriculture to about 60 percent dependent on agriculture.
Love how that is being said on a phone which took international trade and industry to complain with.
Credit scores are only not a positive thing for people who don't pay their debts. It's 100% upside for people who do, and in the US at least, it's trivially easy to have a top-tier credit score without paying a cent of interest, provided you actually do pay back what you borrow.
Why do you think some people don't pay their debts?