lemmy.blahaj.zone straight up doing nazi apologia
lemmy.blahaj.zone straight up doing nazi apologia
Bust out my spiciest one for rule. If it offends the moderation, than so be it.
a post about how many nazis remained in positions of power is made, the op is called a tankie and people defend the decision to keep nazis around
You know when you see a thread full of people excited to justify the post war nazi collaboration, and also at the same time seem to think that the US alone won WW2, and to top it off are frantically posting about the tankies... idk dude it just doesn't feel great. I can't believe how much nazi apologia I've seen creeping up the past couple years, but the past month still feels like a fever dream
Another despicable historical distortion going on in those comments is about the treaty of Versailles. American liberals like to go on about how it was so harsh that the rise of Nazism was a perfectly rational reaction. That's not only historically highly dubious – it was much less harsh than most anything the German Empire did to the losers of its wars (see Brest-Litovsk) – but it's also, like, only two degrees away from the stab-in-the-back myth (Dolchstoßlegende). That is to say: The Nazis liked to claim that the horrible economic state of the Republic was due to the "traitors" who gave up on WWI and signed the treaty, causing all of Germany's economic problems (never mind the Great Depression). No one should be agreeing with the Nazis on any part of that idea.
I pointed out to a lib and a conservative I know about how many important positions found themselves filled with Nazis and they both looked them up and said "But they say there were forced to (join the Nazis)"
If Hitler hadn't eaten a bullet and been recruited as the head of the CIA and said the holocaust had been done behind his back and against his wishes, these people would've believed it
one of them tries the "but they were scientists" angle, as though NATO chief of staff is somehow a scientific position doing lab research or something? .... and not, say, a position that is crucial for providing logistical, material, and financial support to right-wing terror networks of paramilitaries organized and activated to prevent the left from taking advantage of popularity over conservatism in recently liberated democratic countries delivered from from right wing fascists by leftist partisans and the red army.
Yea I wouldn’t comment something like this in a vacuum, but based on comments they made and the fact that nazis being in nato is a common justification for russian imperialism among tankies, op definitely is a tankie
Oh wait you’re a hexbear user, fuck Idk why I bothered explaining myself to you lol
KICK TANKIES OUT OF 196
Damn, that's a crazy explanation. Not liking Nazis makes you a tankie. I don't even need nazis in NATO to not like NATO
But the whole meme is pointless. Seems like calling out that these people shouldn’t have been allowed to be part of a new society after the nazi state was destroyed. It’s not that easy no matter how much people like to draw history and the world as a whole as black and white.
It is in fact that easy.
kick tankies out of 196!The 3 who were high-up Nazis and were in their political positions due to being Nazis is definitely worse than Von Braun. I don't understand how you defend that. You're telling me they couldn't find 3 non-nazis to do that stuff, and that those Nazis had special experience due to trying to move politically up under fascism?
Von Braun is more understandable to defend out of ignorance, even if I disagree with it. He was a Nazi party member, had an SS ranking, and saw the conditions of the slave labour used in the rocket program. But also it's questionable how much of that was because he wanted to keep doing rocket science, and how much was because he was a Nazi.
He was also a good rocket scientist with actual technical knowledge, unlike the other 3 who were military guys on a side that lost the war. If you told me that you couldn't find a non-nazi who would be able to head a rocket program as well then I'd be more inclined to believe that.
He also should've never been the head of NASA, and his career advancement should've been capped so we don't see his name praised in history books. It's disrespectful to have a guy who definitely used concentration camp labour to be a well-known rocket scientist. Meanwhile nobody can name the nazi scientists the USSR took.
Not even getting to recruited Nazi torturers like Klaus Barbie used for Gladio shit.
The people of NATO at it again
Oof, you weren't kidding.
I will never be as big a tankie as liberals. When I talk about paperclip, they respond about how the ussr did it as well. Which means they think being under KGB custody was a sweet a deal as being a celebrity heading a propaganda project in the US. Which is a wild statement about how much they like the USSR
stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin
Seeing the amount of American chauvinism present in supposed leftists is just sad. There is no urge to do any self crit or reflection, straight to defense mode.
It is also like how they get with decolonisation or reparations. They take it as a personal attack.
Dronie bots paid by Uncle Sam
, something has got to be done about them.
