democrats got this

I purchased a gun before Trump took office and have been practicing at the range, as well as encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Arm yourself and prepare, this only ends one way.
- I too am a recent gun owner. I agree that preparation is necessary, but I disagree that it only ends one way. I will advocate for peaceful means of resistance until they are no longer possible. Have hope in the face of our enemies!
  
  The enemy is fascism, and fascists are only dealt with one way. Protesting does nothing against Nazis, especially peaceful protests, it just gives them easy targets. We tried protest, negotiation, appeasement, and more when it came to Hitler and his Nazis, and only One Thing worked to get rid of them. Prepare, organize, and fight back against the fascists.
- Unless your practicing in a group and developing tactics, you're right it does only end one way.
  I don't know how many armed people are coming, but if you're alone I do know how it ends...

- Maybe Elrond should have voted against the ring.

Not pictured are the "leftists" as they're all sitting around at home complaining about liberals.

Destroy the country to "own the libs". What a world and they wanted this so they can make memes instead of trying to do anything.

At least we never went socialist.
That will provide me a lot of comfort when the Fascists brutally murder me and my family for our dissent. At least they weren't filthy socialists that tried to feed, cloth, or house anyone without condition. What a nightmare hellscape that would have been.
- I'm sensing insincerity in this statement.
  
  Just a slight tingle, really.

I've said it once and I'll say it again … a large portion of the current democratic party is rich. The DNC serves corporations not the people. They are controlled opposition. They will keep the status quo as long as they get to continue living their cushy lifestyle. The whole system is corrupt and that includes the DNC, they won’t be saving us.
- The entire point of a government is controlled opposition. That's the fucking point. It's not some grand revelation. Change from within the system takes a lot of time and constant effort, but it is better than the alternative which takes blood and massive suffering.
  
  The problem is the system has been around for a long time and what we've seen is a huge wealth transfer that has made the rich richer and is currently eroding the middle class.
  "As of 2023, the top 1% of households in the U.S. hold approximately 32% of the total wealth. In contrast, the bottom 90% of households collectively hold about 22% of the total wealth."
  We've now reached the point of late stage capitalism/oligarchy and if the system doesn't change the wealth disparity will continue to grow.
  There is already massive suffering. homelessness is spiraling out of control and a huge amount of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck barely surviving.
  So I'd argue the alternative is starting to look quite attractive.
- I’ve noticed the financially conservative bias of a certain minority of the Democrats, which I think you could term “corruption”. I’d say even a lot of them would prefer Americans at least be able to get by on a living wage; hence why blue states have a higher minimum.
  I could be missing information you’ve found past me, but what statistics have helped you conclude a “large portion” of them are rich / serving corporations?
  
  Why do you think Democrats helped to pass Trump's budget?
  The "statistics"are the number of Democratic millionaires serving in Congress and the amount of money corporate donors spend to get them elected.
  
  Yeah you’re just missing on the part where nothing is ever fucking good enough for anyone. And we don’t believe in incremental change. Everything should’ve been perfect when we were born and it’s really upsetting that it’s not perfect yet.

"Liberals will win majority of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, CNN projects"
The one on the right should be "Edgelord leftists posting on Lemmy"
I mean I'm not gonna deny that some like Schumer have been totally useless. But over the last few months "liberals doing nothing" has included halving Tesla's stock price and winning the Supreme Court in a state that went Trump. In prediction markets future races are looking bad for Republicans. Don't like what democrats are doing? Great, go run or support a candidate you do like. Or better yet, run as a Republican and do a hostile takeover of that party so you can challenge democrats from the left in the general too. There's enough anger at Republicans now that it could actually work, especially in safe blue districts.
- None of these things are lib achievements.
  
  Libs are the ones who were holding tesla stock. Libs were buying teslas. It is absolutely is a lib achievement
- Dems biggest problem has never been results. They have done that. Time and time again. Fix the economy. Solve unemployment. Shot the steal. Whatever it is. They have actually done it each time.
  But i have never seen a group that has been so mindblowingly incompetent at messaging.
  Take some fucking credit you dipshits!
  Seriously. Biden did almost everything we asked him to do. But the party never took credit or bragged about it enough. So much so that despite accomplishing the status quo, he still came across as a loser and lost the election for his incumbent.
  They did what we asked. But we were too timid or pc to take the fucking credit! we lost because of some semblance of decorum or some other nonsense.
  Brag about it you pussy ass bitches!
  
  Part of the messaging problem is our lefties who complain that nothing is lefty enough
- My Tesla shorts are making my portfolio great again, I need more of Elons money.
- They sat out the election so they could do this instead.

It's interesting how when the Democrats are in power they struggle to get legislation across the line, get "outraged" when Republicans stymie their efforts, and eventually agree to cut bills down to the point where they're achieving a fraction of what they were supposed to.
But when Republicans are in power, Dems seem incapable of putting up any resistance and cry to their voters that if only they just had a few more donation dollars they'd be able to defeat fascism and then turn around and let the Republicans pass whatever awful legislation they want.
- That was one of the reasons I was excited that Walz was on the ticket. The democrats in MN passed a lot of progressive legislation with a 1 seat majority.
- Controlled ops, and Dem leaders are Republicans
- It only takes a few corrupt Democrats to turn a plain majority into a stalemate.
- Nailed it. That's the scheme. Provides plausible deniability, while keeping half of the electorate from seeking options that would hurt the corporate bottom line.
- Their opposition is purely performative.
  
  It's a bit more than performative. It's pacifying. It manages to convince a lot of people that it does everything in its power so said people shouldn't feel like there's anything else to be done but vote again next time.
  
  Ranked choice voting would help big time. But neither party will ever allow it.
- when Republicans are in power
  That's when Bernie starts making a hell of a noise and proposing the most progressive bills he knows will never make it.
  You would have to be really stupid to fall for this, and there's a saying for it too but when even one of their presidents can't even recite that you know they are a lost cause.

So does Pokémon canonical have Jesus being nailed on the cross? Maybe it was Mew the only son of Arcaues? Would make Mewtwo the Antichrist?
- Pre-Porygon episode Pokemon is a fucking trip
  
  I remember there was an episode where someone pulls out an actual gun, meaning Pal World is probably more canon than people realize.
- I'd very much like to hear a mewtwo/arcaues debate on the state of the Pokemon world.

Whenever I see posts like this, my question is: What constitutes "something?"
Democrats vote against all the Republican bills.
Cory Booker is filibustering a bunch of judicial appointments.
They're banging the drum about how horrible everything Trump is doing is.
They support the suits and the protests.
What do you want? It seems like people just want to complain about the Democrats regardless of the realities of the situation.
- 1- If Democrats had voted against all Republican bills, we'd be in a shutdown right now.
  2- Booker's filibuster is good. There were also many, many options available to Democrats early in the confirmation process that they chose not to take. For example, if they demanded unanimous consent on every procedure, a roll call roll vote would be required to move anything forward. They could file deleterious motions constantly to slow everything down. McConnell successfully used these tactics just a few months ago to force Schumer cut a deal on judicial appointments at the end of the last Congress.
  3- The suits are being brought by Democratic Attorneys General, who have been killing it. They remember how dangerous Trump was and prepared accordingly. The national Democrats, however, clearly had no plan other than, "Kamala will win," and didn't adapt at all in the months between the election and the inauguration.
  Chuck Schumer is the poster boy for this shortsightedness. The only possible explanation for his actions on the budget bill is that he assumed at least a few House Republicans would defect and the bill wouldn't reach the Senate. When that didn't happen, he had to suddenly decided between funding the government, which would a terrible move since (aside from being an awful bill) every House Democrat had just stuck their neck out to try to shoot it down, or defunding the government, which had its own risks, but it's own benefits as well. Not only did he make the wrong choice, but he made it so abruptly he threw his entire party into chaos.
  4- All of this is indicative of a party that is working from an out of date playbook that is hopeless obsolete in the face of fascism. Schumer and James Carvil started the term by telling Democrats to lay low and wait for Trump to screw up. Jefferies was advocating for bipartisanship for the fiest two months of the administration. The general consensus is that the legislative branch is completely helpless, and they simply need to wait for the courts to save us.
  None of this will work. The Trump administration's fuck-ups don't matter if they're not planning on holding free and fair elections. Bipartisanship has been dead for almost 20 years. Court rulings won't save us; Trump is already defying court orders, and the Supreme Court has been pack with regime loyalists. Some Senators, like Booker, seem to be waking up to these realities, but the entire Democratic party needs to be looking to every single opportunity to slow and obstruct the Trump regime, and the leadership is not doing that.
  Defeating the Trump administration will require widespread public mobilization and and an opposition party that's ready to play hardball. The Democratiic leadership seems to content with only doing the first half, and fundraising in lieu of opposition. That's going to get us all killed.
- Democrats vote against all the Republican bills
  If this were even true (what was Schumer in hot water over again?), what the fuck does 'voting against republican bills' do when the black-shirts are already rounding up immigrants?
  Democrats can't run around screaming about the end of democracy for 8 years and then wax romantic about the need for 'bipartisanship' when they're starting to line people up against the wall.
  
  I remember Kamala and Mike Johnson being all smiles on Inauguration Day.
  
  Okay then, I repeat: what should they be doing?
- yeah!
  just like that time Chucky boy colluded with other dinos and handed republicans the best hand we had at striking back at the administration.
  wait....
  
  So, ten of forty-seven Democratic caucus members vote with Republicans on one bill and it constitutes the whole of the Democratic Party not doing anything, ever?
- I want a democratic party that is as fully willing to ratfuck and obstruct all conservative efforts as the republicans have been for decades.
  I want them to stop attempting to "reach across the aisle" to an enemy faction that would never be willing to do the same.
  I want them to vote 100% against every single human garbage dump nominee that Trump puts in front of them.
  I want them to have state police ready to clap the cuffs on Elon Musk as soon as her enters a state where he has broken the law.
  I want them to stop playing defense and to start attacking for once, and I want them to do this as a unified front.
  I want representatives that are willing to pull some South Korean shit and kick down doors on unelected DOGE stooges flinging shit inside our vital institutions.
- THIS is what a politician fighting to stop fascism looks like.
  Not a press conference, not ‘barricading’ the door before meekly letting the DOGE lakeys in after they call the DC police, not Chuck fucking Schumer folding to Trump’s budget demands after the House stood tall and members in D+1 districts risked their position.
  It’s still politics as usual for most of the leadership. Not ‘the fight to save our democracy’ like they campaigned and fundraised on.
  
  Every single one of us fantasizes about stepping in front of a gun to save an innocent person. I even wanted to do that when I heard about an illegal ICE deportation less than 30 miles from me.
  But fascist actors like DOGE sweep in like burglars, and run before you know they’re there. They remove livelihoods by E-mail. There’s nothing to stand in front of.
- This is it. These kids never get off the memes long enough to watch house committees live every day. There’s like 40 cases being help up by non partisan federal judges.
  This is the comprise to not burning down the country and demanding heads, in a civilized country we battle with armies lawyers instead of cannon fodder.
  That’s all plan b. Same as it ever was.
  
  By "something" people mean accountability and punishments, physically restricting the people responsible so they can cause no further harm.
  Instead they walk free and are allowed to keep breaking our society
  
  48 and counting. They like to point out how Trump doesn’t listen, but he’s only defying injunctions. That’s at most a contempt of court charge. It’s not until he defies a ruling that they’ve committed a crime by disobedience.
- What do you want?
  They want the people they voted out of power to suddenly gain all the power.
  
  Beautifully succinct
- Are you ok with a fascist takeover? What do you want them to do? Roll over?
- Liberals are just people who aren’t authoritarian
  Like Communists and Libertarians
  Nothing about the Democrats, it’s just people saying their fascism is better than someone else’s fascism
  
  Communists are authoritarians and Democrats is in the title of the post.

cory booker is, at the time I'm writing, filibustering the senate and preventing any actions by the fascist-controlled Congress
if he continues for 30,000 hours, the trump administration will be over and he'll have singlehandedly saved what's left of democracy. that would be unlikely, but, maybe it wouldn't be hard for 30000 people to slow down fascism by one hour each. or 2 million people to slow fascism down by a minute.
- There are some limitations to the Filibuster:
  things that don't require a senate vote don't get a filibuster
  confirmation hearings for secretaries and judges don't get a filibuster
  certain types of bill such as budgets, so long as they avoid specifically off limit contents, don't get a filibuster so long as they can pass the house again
  Also of note is Trump's term could get a lot shorter if after the midterm elections the 53 GOP senate seats became closer to 40 and/or if enough GOP were convinced to vote to remove Trump.
  Any Democrat is better than Any Republican.
  
  They will assasdinate her, I'm calling it.
- So how do I step in and filibuster for him?
  Because I'm not a memeber of congress and have no power to do anything.
  I think we are expecting the representatives we gave all our power to to do something with that power.
  
  i believe in you, i think you can figure out something to slow the fascists by a minute
  
  actually, there is a way you could: the senate chaplain gives a prayer every day at the senate and can have a guest chaplain do it. the current chaplain, Barry Black, has served since 2003, so you could ask to give the prayer

So all the judges stopping his bullshit from passing is nothing? Along with the judges that overturn his bullshit, that’s nothing also? And Corey Booker’s 19 hour long (and counting) filibuster is nothing? What about all the people that actually VOTED to try and stop this from happening in the first place? Or the people that fucking warned you this would happen.
Nothing?
You all seem to have an odd definition of “doing nothing” that’s for sure. Maybe if you all… did nothing instead of staying home during an election we’d be in a much better place.
- I voted in each primary, midterm, ballot and election - every chance I got. I was also one of the many who was warning that a shuffling corpse was a terrible candidate, that Harris wasn’t doing enough to differentiate from Biden in a meaningful way, and that constantly arming Israel’s genocide with our money was going to cost voter enthusiasm, swing states, and likely the election.
  And here we are, still blaming voters. While Schumer folds on the CR or Jeffries refuses to whip votes - Pelosi at least ran a tight ship and wielded the House gavel. The Democratic leadership is waffling and waiting out for the midterms, where they’re hoping enough people are pissed off to flip the House/Senate. They’re willing to wait two years to act. Two years of deportations, two years of norms destroyed, two years of institutions gutted, allies snubbed, economic self-injury.
  Can you wait two years on a political gamble? Can the country? When are we going to hold our political leadership to the fire and demand action?
  
  These are the words I've heard from anyone paying attention.
  Also thank you for your work from this canuck.
  
  The mechanisms that politicians have available to them are to use their voice to convince Republicans, to filibuster, to file lawsuits, and to gather votes for midterms. They’re doing all of that.
  Any other kinds of actions require a massive majority of everyday Americans, not just a slim 51%; and certainly nothing a Senator or rep could magically do.
- Amen. At least half the voting public did something—showed up, voted, protested, filibustered, and fought every step of the way. Democrats and countless others have been in the trenches, blocking, delaying, and overturning what they can.
  This meme? It does nothing. No encouragement. No solution. Just cynicism and blame. Maybe OP should take a long look in the mirror before calling everyone else out.

any even remotely law abiding politician(read american "left" wing) is kinda hamstrung with the current state of affairs.
- That's where collaboration with a fundamentally oppressive system gets you.
  
  Voter haven't really given them any other choice by electing more Republicans than Democrats to the senate every year for over 10 years.
- Bernie and AOC seem to be organizing.
  
  it's a day late, dollar short. or are you ignoring the people being sent to foreign prisons
- Well, when the people in charge make abiding by laws means you sit quietly waiting to die, protesting is illegal, dissent is illegal, and even having a negative opinion of them is grounds for being mentally unfit, well there's not much you can do inside the confines of their laws.
  Laws are not inherently moral or just. They will have to be broken, and by many MANY people. As my dad used to say " 'you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands' just leaves you a crazy lone gunman dead in the street" he was just making fun of movies when he said it, but to me it's a call to organize.

I'm glad this troll bait crap is barely working, but it's working a little. Come on guys, don't be a stooge:
“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
The goal is to keep opinions we don't want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,...
https://archive.is/PoUMo
- This is not what's happening here. This isn't about rendering the libs ineffective. This is real people (this one's from Canada) trying to send the message that the standard American lib approach is ineffective. That the approach desperately needs to change for resistance to really work. And by libs, I and whoever made the meme mean most mainstream Democrat politicians and to a lesser extent voters who believe those politicians are doing everything in their power to resist fascism, despite the evidence to the contrary. There are a few good discussions in this thread on what's going on and what could and should be happening instead.
  
  That might be what you are trying to do, but I don't think this meme is trying to accomplish that. All I see is people complaining, but not giving ideas on exactly what they should be doing. Then if the person actually answers or has ideas, it's usually already being done, they just haven't heard about it.
- I read the thread you linked. I'm so fucking tired boss.
  What do you even do in this situation? The algorithms and propaganda networks are all controlled by fascists and people don't care. Beyond not caring, they refuse to even protect themselves from being targeted in this way - they do not value privacy nor integrity.
  So what do you do? We have to figure something out.
  
  Work to herd the resistance in line. Call out the bots, trolls, and agent provacateurs. Insult them, pile on them. Keep the focus on the true enemy, the Republicans.
  Copy and post that article everywhere.
  This kind of manipulation makes people more hateful and jaded. That's bad, but the silver lining is that it can be harnessed to make them dismiss the lies that propagandists are pushing. If people see a slew of downvotes and insults on a post, they're likely to pile on.
  All well and good, we can convince them to tear down the ideas of the propagandists. How do we get them to support a positive, constructive vision of the future, you ask?
  We don't.
  Unlike the GOP, Democrat politicians have the advantage of a deep bench of competent administrators. We just need to get them into power and give them time to cook (which, to be clear, Democrats have not had for an entire generation except for a few months in Obama's first term).
  Also, be aware of when these psyop bastards will come out of the woodwork and be prepared for them. I just said a positive thing about Democrats above. That means if this post gets any traction, a bunch of "leftists" will crawl out from their caves and start screeching some bullshit. It's easier when you're mentally prepared for it.
  
  The only thing I can think to do is call it out when you see it like I just did. Leave one comment after someone fights with you, they're probably a bot anyway. Did you notice that thread was 10 years old? It's been going on a long time and they're really good at it. I've been getting better at combating it too, but I still am not great. They usually only downvote me now, which I consider a win.

The liberal version of resisting fascism is quiet collaboration.

interesting to look from outside, Kamala completely disappeared after losing election, that tells everything about her involvement. Compare that with Le Pen/Mélenchon in France ,who keep trying and trying and trying lol. Well not Le Pen anymore but point stands
- As someone who voted for her, I'm completely on board with never seeing her or hearing from her again. She utterly failed — lost a (mostly*) free and fair election to a demented fascist idiot who's destroying the country. Enough of the responsibility for our current situation rests on her shoulders that she can fuck right off forever, along with Biden, the Bushes, the Clintons, Mitch McConnell, Joe Lieberman, Newt Gingrich and all the other neocons, neolibs, and corrupt, amoral, greedy, misanthropic assholes that got us here.
  She might survive as a politician if she took responsibility for the loss, and pushed for change in the Democratic party. Hopefully, she'll do that, and not follow Clinton's example. Seems unlikely.
  There was probably some amount of fuckery, but if the margins were as wide as they should have been, they couldn't have pulled it off.
- Kamala still sends me emails asking for money, I think for the DNC. That is the problem with corporate Democrats, they think resistance looks like fundraising
- Le pen is trying even harder now that she’s been made a martyr.
  She’s campaigning on national tv, organizing protests, her party is calling for violence against the judiciary system, and the appeal of the court’s decision is scheduled right before the next presidential election.
  She received support from: Putin, Orban, Trump, Musk, Bolsonaro, Wilders, Salvini and many other fascists.

https://lemmy.world/post/27650681
- Really what else can one do besides obstruct and sue hoping to stop the tsunami of chaos that this admin embodies?
  
  He wasn't obstructing anything; it was just theater.

Can do the exact same thing with "progressives" that don't vote.
- Pretty sure progressives are doing more important and constructive things than voting for genocide.
  TBH it seems like bi-partisan support and voting for genocide is huge part of growing fascism.
  
  Good job. Your non-vote really helped.
  
  Like what.
  
  By implicitly voting for fascism and genocide? They gotta be tired of winning.

People get upset when you say standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything, but standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything.
These guys won’t even do town halls any more. They’re not going to pay attention to paper signs on sticks.
- One person standing on the street obviously doesn't matter much, but it's about being the change you'd wish to see. Boycotts don't really work either. Doesn't mean you should buy a Tesla.
  
  Boycotts are a hell a lot more efficient than fanfare parades though.

Don't do my boy Gastly like that! Ghosts are the best!

So you're saying those tiny signs and completely giving in to fascism isnt resistance :0
But don't you know this is basically like Weimar Germany and you should all vote for the SPD... Wait who helped him get into power?
- I was going to upvote, but then your second paragraph erroneously blamed SPD.
  The SPD was not in government when Hitler came to power. It was all the conservative parties, including the conservative-centrist coalition partner of the Nazis, the Zentrum party which is the predecessor of the modern CDU, that voted to give Hitler the dictatorial power. Only the SPD opposed that!
  Speaking of Zentrum and CDU, their current leader flirted with the far-right by proposing stricter immigration policy that the neo-fascist party, AfD, gleefully wants to pass. And the modern SPD voted to oppose it! Oh how history rhymes and repeats!
  
  Im saying they helped by actively focusing on harming groups left of it and not offering any real resistance to fascism, so yes it is a repeat. Im sure all those nay votes will matter when we're all in a fascist hell.
- Uhg. This is why I left Reddit. Whataboutsims and strawmen. Can we talk without an argument being the first thing out of our mouth?
  Yes we are at red alert, we need to be organized to fight a coup. “But don’t you know” is the phrasing Russian bots use to get us to argue with each other here??
  
  Are the Russian bots in the room with us now?
  Really, nothing pleases me more than seeing your malignant banana republic go to shit.
  And you did it all on your own. The fascists and the paranoid delusional fascist lights.
  Thank you, from Europe and the world. You won't be missed.

Democrats have also nothing

Have they consulted the magic conch shell?

Maybe don’t expect to be saved by the party you told to fuck off, called murderers and refused to vote for. American leftists loudly played the “both sides are the same” card this past election and they’re finding out. Now suddenly you want help from the other side that’s “the same “?
- By not doing anything, they are almost being complicit and hence proving the original point.
  
  🤦‍♂️
- Weak effort troll
  
  American leftists don’t realize how utterly insane they have become to us leftists outside of your country. Not surprisingly, your American culture has made even the left toxic.
  I can’t tell the difference in your behaviour between a maga anymore, you’re all just as. Toxic, offensive, hateful and miserable as the red hats. Anyone who criticizes you is a troll, anyone who wants to be your ally but doesn’t follow your world view 100% is “just as bad as trump”
  American left went completely bonkers this past election and are now pretending they didn’t. We all saw it.

Libs!
Liberals.
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