What are the differences between US and Chinese democracy?
What are the differences between US and Chinese democracy?
peoplesdispatch.org
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One is a functional, modern society. The other is the united states.
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...one's a peter gabriel album and the other's guns 'n' roses...
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China heavily controls their population. Just what it is.
Is it bad? Singapore do it, and west let them
Girl at work tried to use DeepSeek so I showed her some questions and then asked the same questions on le chat mistral.
A little bit of a different answer 😁
Are you talking about Tiananmen Square?
Chinese companies own 80% of cobalt in Congo. They use this to dominate the battery market
Source?
They subsidise EV and phone companies. So that I get those items on the back of Chinese tax payers.
If they are fine then that is fine
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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/chinas-cobalt-supply-dominance-by-2030/
Okay I misread about the 80% figure. It's more about 50%. They just control 80% of the output through majority stakes.
But Chinese companies are going after all the cobalt in the world. It's their industry that they want to shine in.
"Singapore does it", my boss worked there and told me this week multiple times that Singaporeans are the most selfish ego centered people he has ever met. My wife grew up in Bintan, and she agrees. They are basically the Americans of south east Asia.
The subsidies are trickle down economics, heavily criticised by socialists.
Although income inequality is dropping in china. 0,35 Gini. In USA it's 0,41. But here in the EU, it's 0,29.
And where I live, it's 0,26.
We're still the most socialist.
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I showed tank man, just literally no answer. But she asked about how Turkish Uyghurs were treated (she's Turkish diaspora). Then it showed some very different answer than le chat mistral.
Basically the answer on DeepSeek is something you guys here would copy paste lol
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The us is a shithole, and china is a different shithole. Democracy has nothing to do with either shithole.
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Unlike in bourgeois democracies like the US, which are really bourgeois oligarchies, representatives in in China actually are elected by the proletariat instead of pre-selected by the bourgeoisie. And it shows.
- Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn't
- Long-term survey reveals Chinese government satisfaction
- Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
- China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
- At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
- China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
- Chinese Scientists Are Leaving the United States [for China]
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Over 90% of Chinese citizens support their government, less than half of USians do. The majority of Chinese citizens believe they have a democratic impact on government policy, the same cannot be said of the US. China is rapidly developing and directly combatting poverty, the US is not. China is focused on trade, and maintains minimal overseas millitary presence, the US has 800 millitary bases all over the globe.
China is not a perfect wonderland, but it's steadily improving, and more importantly the people support it. The same cannot be said of the US, and to equate them is a mistake.
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If you think that a country that has continuously improved the lives of the people living there for over 70s years is a shithole then your opinions can be safely ignored.
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"Chinese democracy"
Edit: it's clear that the majority of those in this community aren't interested in living in a world where words have meaning, but for the minority, I offer this recent report from Varieties of Democracy that unsurprisingly classifies China as a "closed autocracy" because it:
- Has no multiparty elections for the executive
- Lacks fundamental democratic components such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, and free & fair elections
Interestingly, Canada is not listed in the "liberal democracies" category, since we lack judicial and legislative constraints on the executive.
Also, the US stands to lose its democracy rating in next year's report, so maybe then China will be as "democratic" as the US.
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Yes.
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What's that you were saying there western ignoramus?
- https://jasonhickel.substack.com/p/studies-show-strong-public-support
- https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
- https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
- https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
- https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva%20images/Democracy%20Perception%20Index%202023.pdf
- https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
- https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
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Well if we're going to agree to live in a world where words don't have meanings anymore, then sure, China's a "democracy".
If however we want to have an adult conversation about it, then we need to agree on the meaning of words, and "democracy" is literally "rule by the people". Given this (admittedly broad and forgiving) definition, China with its autocratic , centralised rule by a one-party government for which the public has no peaceful means of deposing is objectively not a democracy.
This isn't to say that the US is much better of course, but you don't do yourself any favours by measuring yourself against the dumbest kid in the class.
They're both terrible, though at least the US has free(ish) and fair(ish) elections.
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