UBI is kind of cool but it has some massive flaws. For example: Landlords and groceries can just raise prices to bring the cost of living up and since there are no rent/price controls (because "that would be communism") we'll be right back to where we started. What you want is Universal Basic Services. Anything you need to live is free. Literally impossible for anyone to game that system and equally impossible for people to slip through the gaps, but it's also never going to happen because "that would be communism"
So yeah this is why capitalism has go to, because any attempt at actually making a just and fair society will be dismissed as "being communism"
Norway doesn't have a minimum wage because the unions don't want one. They believe having a set minimum wage sets a low anchor for negotiating, and that they can negotiate higher wages without one.
Select industries do have a minimum wage for their specific field, though. And there's a legal minimum you must pay teens working in summer internships, because they're not unionized and often get lowballed.
Actually, I think it's the government regulation keeping together capitalism
If it goes too hard, it doesn't end well but do not give these corpos free reign over the market
I've just made an UBI community since there wasn't any on lemmy:
[/c/ubi@leminal.space] !ubi@leminal.space
Edit: I still don't know how to link properly
There's got to be some conditions. How else do I control the people?
ancaps: "muh NAP"
ancoms: "please get away from our commune, thank you"
Why should the majority of people settle for the leftover scraps of the capitalist class? I do see that it is possible for UBI to exist within a system where the means of production is under public ownership and democratic control, which I believe is necessary for social justice. However, if UBI is ever implemented in a fundamentally capitalist society, it only means that the wealth disparity has grown so large that the capitalists, in the act of preserving their heads on their necks, allow for a crappy standard of living for the rest. Although I could see myself welcoming UBI for a multitude of reasons, I am also scared that it would entail some form of permanent class disparity with the majority of people forever impoverished.
Okay all you commies get ready for politics 101
First don't rely on morals to make your argument. It, unfortunately, does not change capitalist minds.
Second, frame your argument in capitalist rhetoric. For example you can say, "UBI is important to stimulate the economy by enabling Low-Income-Americans to spend more on essentials."
Seriously, not joking, this is how you change people's minds.
We need a UBI and medicare for all.
And we need the minimum wage to be double a living wage
That's why the developed world is taking about universal basic income and not minimum wage. Guess the US will get there at some point too. If they stop falling back into the dark ages at some point.
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Was this crossposted to (or linked) somewhere? It's getting traction despite being about 36 hours old
UBI does away with the whole concept of money and capitalism.
If you don't have a lot of money/credit in your bank account, this idea sounds tempting. More Esp for 3rd world countries which for one reason or another hasn't been able to catch up with the West's standard of living. Everybody loves free money.
If you have a lot of it, UBI sounds like a nightmarish hell on earth to you. Money is not just some number or value tied to your net worth, it is a universal symbol of success. How dare you change the rules on me once I've maximally gamed the capitalism system and now am on the top? The concept of class exists for a reason goddamit! I cannot live my life like the poors waiting for a government stimmie check every month.
I personally think the wheel has turned to much in favor of capitalism over communism for people to even accept the idea of UBI. Somethings are better left unsaid.
