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'You felt you could disregard it?': Judge grills Trump DOJ over White House ignoring oral order

lawandcrime.com 'You felt you could disregard it?': Judge grills Trump DOJ over White House ignoring oral order

A federal judge grilled one of President Trump's Justice Department lawyers on Monday about whether the White House blatantly ignored a court order he issued blocking deportations of migrants.

Summary

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn't have to follow the judge's oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn't in writing.

Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing "national security concerns."

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

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Show cause why I shouldn't throw your ass in the klink. That's what happens to the rest of us if we ignore a court order.
- He can’t be charged with a crime while in office or for anything he does in office. So, that’s why.
  
  so arrest everyone in the department that did it. EVERYONE. secretary of [thing], and everyone who might have so much as seen the command moving down the chain.
  that's what a law that wasn't just an excuse to punish poor people would do.
  or just fucking arrest him anyway, fuck it, if laws don't mean things, laws don't mean things. that includes his special protection.
  
  And the "just following orders" folks?
  
  So the second amendment is our only option?

So just to be clear, this is within the domain of “constitutional crisis” that the vast majority of Americans who graduated from high school will have certainly been taught about at some point. But precisely zero major news networks or newspapers are calling it as such.
Evidently a comically dismaying proportion of us unitedstatesians need to be told when our own fucking house is on fire. And even then, 30ish% of us will deny it as the flesh melts off their own bones.
- What are you on about?
  https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/supreme-court-john-roberts-trump-constitutional-crisis-rcna196940
  https://time.com/7268948/deportation-surgeon-constitutional-crisis/
  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-latest-deportation-venezuelans-sets-up-potential-constitutional-clash-2025-03-17/
  https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/17/politics/constitutional-crisis-courts-trump-executive-power-what-matters/index.html
  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/10/us/politics/trump-constitutional-crisis.html
  
  You know what.
  That's sadder.
- 30% of us probably are okay with burning alive. It’s less work than living.

He shouldn't be letting those attorneys leave the courtroom free men. Hold them in contempt and issue bench warrants for administration officials and anyone carrying out these illegal orders.
- This is the only correct response, any other response means that the federal government does not in practice have checks and balances
  
  It also forces Trump's hand. Either publicly reveal, right now that he is an all-out dictator instead of slow-rolling it, or fold and lose any momentum he has.
  If a violent revolution is needed to take him down, the sooner everyone knows about it, the better.

The same laws that make him President, are the same law in which we allow it

I believe they thought they could ignore the order because they could ignore the order.

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer
If this is the only consequence of having done it- I’d say they didn’t think they could, they knew they could.
- Note Rubio saying they aren't going to stop, when explicitly told to by a judge. That's called sedition last I knew.
  
  And if there’s no one willing to stop them, it may as well be legal.

The US is in a constitutional crisis with situations like this, and so many people just don't seem to care or want to acknowledge that it's at that point.
- I think the seeds for this were sown in the post 9/11 secret court system, in which the US govt authorized itself to break national and international law.

I'm just shocked that so many of you are okay with a judge deciding that all those criminals should remain in the US...I mean, this is why ya'll lost the elections...
- How do you know for sure that they're criminals, just because they're not American? None of them have even been charged with anything. Innocent until proven guilty.
  You should be more concerned about the convicted rapist with 34 felonies who is currently in the oval office. Also quit being a racist piece of shit.

So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?
- At the end of Inglorious Basterds, Aldo Raines has his man kill Hans Landa's assistant. Landa screams "You'll be shot for that!" and Aldo says:
  "Shot? I don't think so, more like chewed out. I been chewed out before."
  During the first administration KellyAnne "SkankySkag" Conway received numerous fines for her near constant violations of the Hatch Act, eventually reaching $100,000, which she never paid. When asked about it, she casually dismissed it, saying "Let me know when they start talking about jail time."
  Things like censure, polls, stern warnings, appeals to morality, etc. Mean less than nothing to these traitors. They are determined to destroy America, and nothing less than harsh imprisonment will get through to them. If we get through this, we need to viciously purge MAGA from society and prohibit it's existence.
  
  One one way to do that
- Asking respectively. What else can this judge do in the USA? Law is being blatantly ignored. This is dictatorship.
  
  He can have members of the Trump administration dragged into court by U.S. Marshalls. And then if necessary, held in contempt of court and imprisoned.
- Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.
  
  Sounds like a "well-ordered militia" is called for.
  
  Could they deputize, say, the military?
- He'll move up to SLAMS next
  
  If that doesn't work, the judge can throw him off Hell In A Cell, and plummet 16 ft through an announcer’s table.
  
  Slamming the meat on the grill!
- Well, he criticized them… so. Lesson learned, right?
- I'm expecting the Judicial will go as far as BASHED

Like at what point does everyone else in the government finally say "ok we have to treat them as treasonous" this is a madhouse full of complacent fools.
- At this point I don't see the politicians being the people to save us. Honestly don't know what the military would do either. They'd probably fight internally until the MAGA component wins or gets squashed.
  So much can change so quickly. That's usually how the big changes go, especially when they are unfavorable.
  
  Save you from what? Is your life ruined? Are we all losing our rights in the US? Are we all being deported? How bad is your life right now, that you need "saving?"

Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.
- "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one."
  Alexander Hamilton
- Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.
  Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them
  
  What about all the hardcore criminals he sent out, should we bring them all back and release them?
- Wouldn't Trump just pardon them?
  
  Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.
  
  Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump's time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.
  
  He can't pardon a disbarment, though!
  
  I don't think he can. Courts have the power to hold people until they comply with a court order.
  Technically so does congress although it's never done.
  US Marshalls, however, are a real thing and work for the judiciary.
  Edit: ugh, they are responsible for carrying out what the judiciary needs, but it's still part of the executive (DoJ).
  
  No. You go through the bar and remove their license.

They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!
- Well considering Republicans control every branch of government, they're assuming they can and will get away with it. Even if this goes up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices will let them do what they want. One of them will "dissent" though to try to make it seem like they don't agree. They're probably behind closed doors playing rock, paper, scissors to see who "dissents" each time a hot button topic gets up to them.
  
  Also didn't the Supreme Court just rule that you can't charge the president for crimes made in their official capacity? He can just say it was in his official capacity to ignore the orders so tough titties.
- How do they do that? Their enforcers work for Trump.
  
  They can deputize citizens to carry out the orders too
  
  Wahoo it's-a me Luigi
  
  The US Marshalls don't, I thought.

'You felt you could disregard it?'
Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it's safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were not only completely ignored, but were also being openly mocked on Twitter by Marco Rubio, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it's safe to say that they were right.
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
He's about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can't even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there's fuck-all this judge can do about it.
- It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say "wait, don't do that!" and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President.
  
  Since when is a judge's verbal order not legally binding?
  
  The whole point of judiciary is to resolve damages and it's actually really important that they can issue orders quickly to prevent "irreversible damages", courts use injunctions all the time even before coming to any kind of decision in order to give time for due process to happen. Especially when there is possibility of harm coming to an individual.
  
  It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say “wait, don’t do that!” and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President
  You do realize this happens all the time, right? Death row inmates can be granted clemency literally while they're strapped to the gurney. It's literally a case of the judge, governor, POTUS, whoever saying "WAIT, DON'T DO THAT!". And yes, this includes the judge verbally giving instructions and holding off the proceedings until a written order can be drafted.
  There was nothing stopping them from turning that plane around.
- This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.
  
  Oh brother..
- No, he can be questioned about official acts. The wording is that the judiciary decides what is an official act, so if they decide it is, he cannot be punished criminally for what is otherwise a criminal act. The Supreme Court did a bunch of power grabs for itself and effectively declared that Congress couldn’t do squat other than impeachment against the president and the only check on the president’s power was whether the judiciary agreed with him.
  Now Trump’s attacking the judiciary and has made the chief justice have to make a statement that his challenges to his legitimacy will not stand, so I would expect to see a bunch of cases go against Trump just as a judiciary show of force, much like his citizenship emergency challenge where they told him to fuck off and they’d slow walk his case.
  Trump could have ended democracy quite easily if he wasn’t in such a damn hurry to get shit done and snubbing all of the power brokers that he needs to implement his plans is forcing a bunch of needless shit. When the economy is fully in shambles in a few months and the ad spend slows down for media companies, I’d expect them to pounce on how much shit he fucked up. It’s wild seeing WSJ realizing the problem that’s coming down the pipeline and the Murdoch rag shitting on him in the editorials rather than WaPo.
  
  If something... Unfortunate... Were to happen to Roberts, I guarantee that the rest of the justices would rule in Trump's favor for the rest of his term with a wide-eyed "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" smile plastered on their faces the entire time

He didn't feel he could disregard it.
He successfully disregarded it.

His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.
- This should have been fixed in the 1800s when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court, but it was ignored and here we are

☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box
- Promises promises.

Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸
- Oh brother... here we go again...

Uh oh! This Judge sounds PISSED! SOON Trump is going to get a STERNLY WRITTEN LETTER! And if they DEFY that? OH Boy! ANOTHER letter will be on the way!
- I'd Like to See Ol Donny Trump Wriggle His Way Out of THIS Jam!
  
  You guys literally got my overweight middle aged ass giggling like an imbecile in my office at work

Well if the order wasn't enforced... yes?
These psychos aren't stopped by words.

What a strongly worded condemnation!
Anyway
- You should have seen the glare of severe consternation the judge cast towards the back of the exiting lawyer!!!

They don't give a single fuck about any letter you make, any protest you do. Any law you say they broke. What the fuck are you going to do about ir? Until that answer is armed revolt they will not give a single fuck about anything you do.

Judge SLAMS Trump with no legal action whatsoever.

And if you put it in writing, it’ll be on the wrong letterhead.
Or you didn’t sign it.
Or you signed it with autopen.

So the judge is putting Trump in a cell for disobeying the law?

way more than about Trump
legal precedents that uphold other legal precedents are being dismantled like they already were being done away with before Trump
more precedents that go away the more personal freedoms and civil liberties goes away
need a revolution
- Oh brother... how horrible is your life? `

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