Tesla = Pinto

I mean, the Cybertruck is a joke.

I hate to defend Tesla because I hate the owner and there are serious issues with things like having the emergency escape door latches hidden and difficult to access...
But there were 1.5 million Pintos affected by the safety recall across 5 model years. Tesla sold more than that many cars last year alone, and estimates are they've sold about 7 million vehicles total.
The fire fatality rate was higher for Pinto than Tesla.
- It's hard to comprehend how things have simply inflated over the years. We're dealing with massive numbers now, compared to 1970-1980....
  That being said, even with the much higher numbers, we should consider the fact that as the numbers have gone up, so has safety technology.
  So the cars should be expected to be safer year over year. The percentage of failures should be less.
  That being said, just because it's a smaller percentage doesn't necessarily mean that we shouldn't care about it happening.
  In the end, I find your comment to be very useful in gaining a bit of perspective. While it might not fundamentally change my opinion, or anyone else's, it's good to understand the magnitude of these numbers, in comparison to the overall volume of vehicles out there.

When Trump dies, President Musk will yeet the body in a flaming cybertruk to explode Obama's library because DEI
- This is an acid trip of a comment

Opens /all
3/first 5 posts "tesla" or "musk"
"You don't hear about it."
My dude it's all I hear about ffs.
- I guess it should be “why aren’t I hearing about this” and more “why isn’t anyone doing anything about this.”
  Which is kind of just the reaction to everything Musk in general.

Wdym I hear shit about it daily

Ah, yes, the thing we all haven't heard and seen constantly for years. /s
Tesla's exploding has been widely covered since the very first one happened, both as actual news and jokes/memes. This image is dumb as fuck, simply because of that. And I'd say with certainty that a LOT more people are aware of Teslas exploding than how many even know there was a car named Fort Pinto.
I'm all for Tesla going down the drain, and more of them exploding (without casualties), but report on that instead of making up dumb shit (that no one hears about it).

Because censorship

Adjusting for inflation that hardly seems like a.... oh fuck it. Things should be getting better not worse!
- okay, but, compromise; better at getting worse?
  take it or ~~leave it~~ have it forced on you.

Tesla blames it on a software issue that will be "fixed in the next update"

Obviously you hear about it, we are all talking about it. My favorite is if it goes into a body of water you cant get out and then you slowly drown.

For one thing, in the Pinto days we didn't have information firehoses shooting streams of content at us 24/7. People were putting up "Hang In There" cat posters with scotch tape. And "You don't have to be CRAZY to work here... but it helps!!!" Those were simpler times.

It's more like ~3 pintos

Tesla doesn't Equal pinto, it's actually much worse

Then Elon and Tesla dismiss any valid complaints and criticisms as "far left gay communist propaganda" just 'cause he thinks everything's politically motivated, 'cause he thinks everyone should agree everything he does and those who don't are the enemy just like fascists and (also) actual communists.

You guys heard about percentages?
- You are right. There were 3 million pintos sold. So far there have been 6 million teslas sold. So it's much worse than we thought. 1970s tech joke of a car has a better fire rate Than a 2020s tech car. Thanks for bringing that up!
- Utilitarianism is really only viable when the other option is EVERYBODY dies (give-or-take a percentage point or two); killing 10 to save 1000 only really works as an argument if the alternative is 1010 unavoidable deaths. 20 avoidable deaths and 80 avoidable deaths are still a fuck ton of avoidable deaths, especially when we HAVE the resources and the knowledge to prevent them but we just don't because of profit margins and shareholders

Because cover ups.

there are more teslas than there are pintos?
That seems like a safe bet to me.
- Yep, I can't use this statistic for anything if it can't compare to totals. I'm assuming that teslas, as a whole brand, outnumbers ford pinto, a single model, by at least 10x.
  
  Mor than 3 million Pintos were sold and all Tesla models combined are under 10 million

Later studies found that pintos were not particularly more likely to explode than other cars of the same form factor from that era. Turns out, plenty of other manufacturers cut costs by placing the fuel tanks in the rear bumper. And either way there's plenty of other things you should be more concerned about in deathtraps from that era, such as the steering column impaling you if the front of your car collides with anything, or the roof caving in if your car is ever upside-down.
What did Ford in was the Pinto Memo. Evil corpo pro-tip: Doing clownishly evil napkin math on the relative costs of lawsuits vs a cheap fix is fine, just don't be so dumb as to write it down where a hungry journalist might find it.
Anyway are teslas better or worse than the pinto or comparable modern cars? Who fucking cares, if people actually cared about car safety they would all be lobbying to ban cars within cities and Tesla "F"SD would be illegal everywhere. Anyway it seems that the Swasticar branding is doing more damage to Tesla's reputation than any amount of ludicrous safety and manufacturing issues ever did.
- "F"SD
  Fatal Self Driving

You are all getting portable incineration in car free of charge and you complain?! Some people are impossible to please!

Because the percentages are less than the qty. The denominator is larger and the percentage is technically lower.
Idk I'm just talking out my ass but it sounds like it could math.
- Quick eyeball of Tesla figures shows about 5mil sold over all models. Ford Pinto sold about 3mil. So the percentages are pretty close with Tesla deaths nearly quadruple Pinto deaths. And the truck hasn't been out long so who know how many that will kill in accidents given its construction.
- That was the 90's. In 2025, you infiltrate the federal government, fire anyone investigating you, close departments that are a nuisance, and subvert the judicial branch.
  
  what's this from?
- It is this. Everyone seems to have forgotten the Ford Exploder and all the rollover accidents well above the industry average as well.
  
  Tesla vehicle owner detected.
  
  If only that was true, but it isn’t. They’re about even, and even if they where behind on %, it should have been a pretty big case as we’re supposed to have learned and be more vigilant

Went to check the numbers and this site says the total number of Tesla deaths is higher(although not specifically from fires)
www.tesladeaths.com
- I think the takeaway from that site is that the self driving deaths really aren't that far behind the deaths from Tesla fires.

She's a 21st century pinto, oh yeah!
A 21st century pinto, oh yeah!

I don't doubt that model Ys catch fire sometimes but the pic on the right looks like AI to me.
- Yeah, that fire would be coming from the front storage space.
  
  Looks like there's fire in the back too but the smoke is only coming from the side.

I dunno, I've heard a lot of jokes about Teslas exploding
- They sure do seem to have a tendency to spontaneously combust.

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Calling it now: In the future, it’ll eventually come out that manufacturers knew EV batteries were not suitable for extreme temps (explode in extreme heat, won’t hold a good charge in extreme cold), and there’s been a massive industry push to keep these issues out of talking points.
Toyota will be vindicated in their push for hydrogen.
- Yes Toyota will be vindicated any day now, as more hydrogen stations close and their sales go down. Any day now.
  PS: the Mirai still has a quite sizable high volt battery, because fuel cells can't ramp up fast enough and for regen.
  
  Right. Couldn’t be the monopolies protected in the fossil fuel & auto industries. Just a totally organic, politically backed opposition to cheap fueling with one of the most abundant resources on the planet.
- The problem is the cars, not the batteries. Tesla doors don't work when the power is cut, and you have to know the manual backup method, and people die of smoke inhalation because they panic and don't know.
  
  You’re confusing cause & effect. The EV batteries catch fire, and then they get stuck in them due to system failures.
  From what I’ve read, part of the problem there is that Tesla cut corners by tying all of the systems together on a single bus. It causes unrelated systems to suffer a cascade of failures during incidents.
  EV batteries are still a problem: https://www.wired.com/story/ev-battery-fires-explained/

Yall so worried about this tesla shit. Yall are so ficking edgy. Yall are absorbed with the cult of personality.
Elon ain't nothing to spend so much emotional energy on. It's you guys who make him into something he's not. Take some breaths.
- "make him into something he's not"
  he did a Nazi salute. What more convincing do you need?
  
  Do you realize most people agree he didn't intentionally do a nazi salute? Oh, and he's shut down everyone that has asked him about it?
  If he actually did a nazi salute, what would be the point if he just denied it? What is the point?
- He's destroying our country bro
  
  Who told you that?
- Geez, yall just eat this stuff up and regurgitate it right back. One might expect kickbacks for pushing another's agenda like this, but alas, there are plenty of rubes on the internet that do it for free.

Different times, different causes, and different ratios of incidents to total cars. I hate Musk, think any potential for Teslas has declined heavily in quality, and lots of mistakes have been made in its development. But this kind of comparison is a definite apples and oranges. Plus grouping every incident under "blows up" and the cause of death is a bit much. How many of those were due to drivers? How many Teslas that did have some fire warned their driver to pull over and save them, vs. a Pinto that...would just catch fire and couldn't possibly do that.
I mean be fair if you're going to be critical. There is plenty to be critical about, especially with the disaster known as the Cybertruck. Plus the last part...if no one is hearing about it, then why is it a damn meme at this point, and unjustified because while Tesla fires are a nasty thing to put out, there are still far more ICE fires, and THEY only get a side note in the local news, if that.
- So much missing of the point and defending going on here
  
  Apples and Oranges. One car killed people, the other killed other people in other ways. Totally different.
  
  A meme is only as good as what goes into it. And yes, I'll defend the facts over a silly meme that bends them to make it work.
  Did I go overboard for just a meme, yeah, probably. I stand by what I said though, from a point of view of reality.