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NegativeNull @lemmy.world

2d ago

Why, oh why?!?

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Me, in Arizona:
Though honestly, my thought is if the rest of the country gets rid of DST, I feel like Pacific should go to PDT because it’s incredibly nice when that part of the country aligns with Arizona’s time. Granted, that might be weirder for the eastern Mountain time states.

We were so close a few years ago when the senate passed a bill with unanimous consent, only for the house to say fuck you and refuse to even consider it (can't have anything useful getting done).
- No one could agree on what the permanent time should be, that's why it failed.
  
  It should “spring ahead” and stay there; I want the light after work.
  
  This is any group decision making in a nutshell. All the arguing over the thing that matters least.
  They could've picked either and everyone would just adjust.
  
  I thought it failed because Rs in the senate said "wait no, we passed it by mistake, don't vote on it please", and democrats in the house have them what they wanted. A favor that would never be repaid, because they are stupid

I'm convinced at this point that it's kept around at least in part because it's disruptive and disorienting.
- I suspect one of the biggest reasons we’ve kept it is to avoid updating all the software to be compatible with the change. Especially legacy systems.

Set the damn clock to noon at noon on summer solstice and leave it the fuck alone.
- I'm all for getting rid of DST, but the idea of making it permanent is beyond ridiculous.
  There is not a valid argument for it. Your solution is the only sensible one.
  
  Then we run into the whole every town has its own time zone problem

Its 5am and I'm cranky because I known it's 4am!

Imagine if the enterprise had to update all their clocks and schedules to align with Starfleet Headquarters
- cannonoically, they do!
  Consequence of warp speed, even long hours at impulse cause some discrepancy. They time sync with federation beacons after being out of touch for a while.
  
  We do this now with NTP. Digital clocks have a surprising amount of drift even without relativistic effects.
- Time management is already likely a nightmare in the Federation due to all the differing planets/civilizations/etc
  
  Isn't that what the stardate is for? Since it seems unlikely humans would adopt a wildly confusing system that also doesn't seem to be related in any way to earth or its culture.
  At least that's what I always assumed, the stardate is the unified federation calendar.
  
  I heard Sisko received a commendation for using biogenic weapons on a planet with a 79 hour day
  
  There was a "Men In Black" cartoon. One of the funniest episodes was that J couldn't adapt himself to MIB's 37 hour long day.

Those both seem like Jellico orders…
I don’t want to hear about it. Turn the clock ahead one hour. Get it done.

Let's distribute the extra time across all days.
Can someone do the math and find out how many seconds/minutes would be added to each day?
- I think you’re confusing DST with leap days?
  
  Yeah, you're right 😂
- My understanding is you’d lose time that way actually because our days are actually just under 24 hours.
  
  But they are slowly getting longer as the Earth's rotation slows. Humans have actually slowed it down to a measurable degree through climate change and melting icecaps.

Hating DST is stupid.
You get an extra hour of daylight after work to actually get things done outside.
If you never ever venture outside or don't work, I can see why that might not make sense.
- You realize DST is zero sum, right? Anything you gain in the evening, you lose in the morning, and vice versa.
  Also, anything you gain in the spring, you lose in the fall, and vice versa.
  Nothing is ever gained.
  It’s the change that is an extra inconvenience that causes disruption in people’s plans and circadian rhythms. Also, for the neurotic out there, the clock is technically wrong during DST as it doesn’t reflect the sun’s position in the sky.
- Why do 9-5ers think everyone works 9-5 and we should change all of time to accommodate that instead of talking to your employers?
- If it's that important to certain people then those workplaces can just have different seasonal hours. Why fuck with timekeeping because of a few peoples personal preference?
- How does moving the clock forward an hour give you an extra hour of daylight after work?
  
  As an example- If '12pm' is solar noon, 6am is solar Dawn and 6pm is Solar Sundown
  If you move everything an hour forward, so now Solar Dawn is at 7am and Solar Sundown is at 7pm, but you still go to work at same times, you now miss an hour of sun in the morning and gain it in the evening.
- You can just get a job that starts earlier, or with flex time.
- This just in, desk jobs that allow WFH don't exist.

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