It's October, soon we'll switch to winter time. Does anybody know what happened to the suggestion to remove it?

I've been waiting for years for this to finally be approved. I can't stand Daylight Saving Time, only serves to make me tired for the next month while I adjust, twice per year. It's a relic from the past and many countries are moving towards removing it or have removed it already altogether.

More info:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-000550_EN.html

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190321IPR32107/parliament-backs-proposal-to-end-switch-between-summer-and-winter-time-in-2021

I can't stand winter time, would love DST all year long. Its so depressing to have the sun set before I finish work and come home when its pitch black...
- It clearly seems like something designed by people who get up at 04:00 and are asleep by 20:00.
- Ask your employer if you can move hours -1 or +1, if that's possible in your case. I know some people that were able to improve their efficiency through that, it's a win-win situation
Thank you for this! I had a look at the first link, it seems like they didn't answer anything more than 2020, which is this one: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2020-005617-ASW_EN.html

Basically, more paperwork to do before going on...
It takes you a whole month to adjust one hour?
- Indeed it does. To clarify it takes a couple of days or a week max, but I can feel an effect linger on for almost a month. I guess I'm getting old.
How hard is it to adjust. My clock on my phone updates itself, my alarm shifts accordingly, I don't even realise it happens until I look at the coffee machine or microwave, I reset them and then forget it happens for another six months. If one hours shift effects you that much it seems like a medical issue.
- getting up an hour earliet or pushing yourself to go to bed an hour earlier can be quite difficult if you have a tight schedule, e.g. having no flexibility about when you start working.
- It's not man, really. Work and the stress that comes from my responsibilities at it, kids that make my sleep irregular, sleep deprivation because I want to do more than I have possibly time to do, slightly overweight, etc. overall I don't have a significant amount of consecutive good nights of sleep enough to feel rested in general, and this makes me very sensitive to time changes. There was a time I also didn't care or noticed, but when my nights started to become short, it started making a difference.

The public poll was extremely skewed, mostly Germans voted.
Biologists argue against permanent summer time, people are in favor of summer time. But most people haven't looked into the issue enough. Do you like to get up early? Then summer time is indeed better for you. But for most people it's not. But summer is nice and it's really complicated to think about time and the sun and how one changes when we move the clocks, so most people think they prefer summer time. Public health and public opinion run opposite in this case.
At the moment we have one time zone all the way from Spain to like Poland. Poland doesn't want to give up summer time, Spain doesn't want to give up standard time. (Or was it the other way around?). They are on the fringes of the time zone, geographically speaking and feel the negative effects the most. Obviously neither country wants to make the situation worse for its citizens, so no agreement has been reached.

(I'm an American so I'm not immediately in the discussion about whether Europe does DST or not but I do have opinions on DST itself)

I prefer Summer time, but I honestly don't care which one "we" stick to as long as we quit fucking with the goddamn clocks. I don't care if we split the difference, set the clocks to a half-hour between, and leave them there.

I HATE the logic of actually moving the clocks back and forth.
- I care which one we stick to because going home at 5pm in the dark is depressing for a whole month in the northern half of the US. I’d much rather go to work in the dark then go home with the last bit of light and do something fun before the sun sets.
- I think the USA already tried the permanent summer time thing. They stopped after two years, because it was bad.
  
  If you actually would like to get up earlier for work or school, then yes, summer time is indeed better for you. You are also part of a small minority that sees it that way. Most would like to get up and show up to work later instead.
Well, they could get the timezones, that actually fit to their geography.
- This is an option. I think it is not a very popular one though, because it makes cooperation and trade a tiny bit more complicated.
I would add to this the compounding effect of northern places. If one were to keep summer time all year round, the sun would rise at 9.30 am in the winter.

On the other hand, if one keeps standard time all year round, it rises at around 2 am in the summer.

(I still hate daylight savings though.)
- The medical/biology side is pretty clear, standard time is better than summer time if we keep our current workday schedule. Getting up in the dark is much more detrimental than going to bed a long time after sunset.
  
  You can always make arguments based on the extreme summer/winter solstice daylight time. If you have four hours of daylight, the time zone doesn't really matter, it will suck either way. I consider such arguments to be in bad faith.

I thought global warming was how we were abolishing winter time. I'll see myself out

They couldn't agree, so it went back for each state to decide, but even domestically it can be difficult to reach an agreement.. so we all continue doing the worst solution.

I much prefer more light in the evening than the morning. I really hope eventually we snap to our senses and put an end to the time change. It sucks so hard in the winter.

The whole reason it exists is for what you say you prefer.
- What I prefer is the opposite of what is about to happen in the fall time change. Setting the clock back means the sun sets an hour earlier. That shit is miserable in the Netherlands it’s practically dark by 4pm in December.

Old people were against it and they seem to be the only ones with a voice that is actually heard.

Or not everyone lives in the same latitude and changing the time effects you a lot more the further from the equator you get.
messing with boomers is always a bad idea
Not just old people are against it. I think a lot of people would be against permanent winter time, me included, since it'd mean shorter evenings in the summer and sunrise very early in the morning. Likewise, keeping Summertime all the time would mean extremely dark mornings in the winter. From what I gathered summer time only would also be unhealthy according to sleep experts. The changes are not ideal either, but imo it's a fine solution. I'd rather have this than wintertime only
I'm strongly opposing the idea of abolishing summer time and not even 60 years old.

This topic (and all previous discussions around this question) is the exact example why it hasn't been changed and likely never will be changed: People cannot agree to either of the solutions.

A good solution for your place is a bad solution at some other place.

It's just a popular topic for politicians to talk about - and then not doing anything about it.

How did people do before the oil crash and the reinstating of the daylight saving time?

Different countries could have different timezones, the US work with different timezones
- Timezones solve an entirely different problem.
  
  Timezones solve the east west problem, while daylight saving time solves the "sun rises later in winter"-problem. So more like a north south problem - because seasons.
  
  If you want to suggest to create more "north south" timezones, you'd only make it more complicated than it is already. After all one of the more sane arguments is to remove complexity by removing DST. You'd bring complexity to a whole new level instead.

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The Britons didn’t care and it was mostly done to spite them

Day time is just a number, with no inherent meaning. Yes, 12 and 0 are special times, but all the rest shrinks and grows with the seasons. Is 7 too early to be in office, is 11 too late?

My point is, how about we stick to the time switching, since a large scale agreement (LSA) seems impossible, and focus on small scale agreements (SSA)? We could make the SSAs so to exactly cancel out the negative impacts from the LSA.

For example, office hours (a SSA) can make the inverse switch so that employees don't have to change their schedule in practice. Your clock is one hour early for the next six months? Who cares, just come to office an hour late for the same period. For some teams with flexible times this would hardly be noticable.

This idea apparently has some flaws because I haven't seen a grocery store with different opening times for winter and summer. Or maybe they just change the whole display twice a year so I never notice.

Anyways, fire away and tell me what's wrong about this approach.

What's wrong with it is that for life to keep going the same, everyone has to make the same agreement. Your office now has different hours but childcare doesn't so you need to get there one hour earlier and any service might do or do not so now you're juggling a bunch of +1/-1 in your head to make sense of it.

Office hours are not the only schedule in people's lives.

That's why it gets moved forward/backward at the European level.
Anyways, fire away and tell me what’s wrong about this approach.

Nothing really, also the whole of Europe could switch to one zone but have different office hours.