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While I agree with the sentiment, if the face-value goal of this note becomes true, this has the same vibe as "Sell it to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?"
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Actually, that's exactly the point of "act fast" as described in the text.
If you assume that many will sell their cars, you also assume prices will drop. That means, it's better to sell now, when prices are still somewhat high. It's the same mechanism as in any stock crash.
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That's the goal, though. If people start doing this, the value of used Teslas will crater. That will kill sales of new ones. Why buy a new one when you can get a used one dirt cheap? Why buy a new one if you know it will lose all of its value because the used market died?
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Unfortunately downward price will come against up the tariff inflation of new trucks and cars (estimated 20%+ increase by dealers) that will happen if Trump unchanges his fucking mind one more time.
I still think annoying but not impossible the remove stickers are the solution. Do that enough times and anyone who hasn’t fallen into the sunk cost fallacy will either be looking to sell, or at least never buy another swasticar.
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I promise you there's always going to be someone willing to buy one. You'll possibly just have to drop the price really low. I'd buy a used Tesla for a dollar, for example. If people suspect the price is dropping then hopefully they'll panic sell, and force the price to drop even faster.
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I honestly don't understand what selling it does though. The same amount of teslas are still on the streets. Please help me understand.
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The advice isn't about reducing the number of Teslas. It's about helping someone get out of owning one. Also, that money doesn't go to Elon, it goes to the seller, so to some people, they might consider that part a wash.
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It's about helping someone get out of owning one
You realize that if someone sells their Tesla, while they no longer own one, someone else does, right?
The point is crashing the market value of used Teslas, thereby reducing new sales as people will be more incentivized to buy used.
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What's wrong with owning one? Its a car and we can assume the owner has a need for it (obligatory "Fuck cars!"). It's the buying of one with the knowledge we have now that is the issue.
Edit: I see a few downvotes so I must have said something wrong. What am I still not understanding?
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If everyone wants to sell and nobody wants to buy, the used price will go down.
If used teslas in good condition are dirt cheap, there's no point buying a new one.
If nobody wants a new Tesla, there are fewer Teslas entering the streets.
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More important for your last point, it hurts Musk's value. Most of his wealth is in stocks. Make those drop in value and he has less wealth.
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If enough people try to get rid of their Teslas the Used value will crash and bring the New value even further down.
That was observed when Elon in his brilliance secured the Hertz deal and then slashed new Tesla prices. Leaving Hertz no choice but to dump their inventory.
The sell off from Hertz hurt the used value because it was a large supply of "We just want out, we already lost money on these"
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I read it as a funny, polite, "fuck you". It's only going to piss someone off who bought a Tesla as a sign of status and is still a fan of Elon Musk. Everyone else will see it either as helpful but misguided or will get the joke.
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It may reduce new sales
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Cars are worth what someone is willing to pay. More used cars on the market means lower prices means fewer new cars are purchased. The biggest drop in value on any car (bigotry aside) happens at mile 1 when you drive it off the lot. But manufacturers love scarcity when there is high demand, so some manufacturers explicitly forbid buyers from selling their cars (Tesla and Ferrari are the only ones I know of, but there may be more.) If you want one, you must buy it new, and you better buy it quick because it won't last. They don't want buyers leaving the lot and shopping around, they want to create an atmosphere of panic and exclusivity.
Fortunately, they cannot enforce the requirements that you don't sell your car. What they can do is refuse to sell you another one, which Ferrari is famous for doing. With Tesla, if you're selling because you don't want to be associated with Nazis, you're not going to care if the Nazis won't sell you another car. Yes, you're probably selling to another Nazi, but most people cannot afford to simply abandon or scrap a functioning* car on principle. Selling is the next best thing, as it undercuts the aura of scarcity, drives the price down, and reduces the number of new cars sold.
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Previous owners that gave money to Musk can distance themselves from him, while new owners that believe Teslas are good can buy one without giving money to Musk.
I'm in the market for a car and there is an amount of money I would spend for a used Tesla despite the potential for vandalism etc. I don't think there is an amount of money I'd spend on a new one
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It always warms my heart to see actionable lists.
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Even pointless ones that don't result in fewer of the thing existing? Selling it just means passing off the note to the next person.
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Yeah, but you’re selling it to somebody who would buy a Tesla in 2025.
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The number of them out there is erroneous. It's what perceived value they have that matters.
And the value of used cars can drastically affect the value of new cars.
Anyone buying a Tesla now, knows what they're buying, and what it can imply. Those selling are often selling to avoid the implication that comes with owning a Tesla.
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It's never about making them not exist. It's about destroying the value of the car, so fewer new ones are sold. If the used market is full of like-new versions for significantly lower prices, the number the company can sell will drop dramatically.
Musk's wealth is largely in stocks. If we can make the value of his companies drop them we directly hurt his wealth. The cars don't matter. The value of the company matters.
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I keep seeing this talking point, and I can't tell if it's just bad faith propaganda, or if so many people really are this obtuse.
Where did anyone get the idea that selling a car because the head of the company is a Nazi is intended to reduce the number of extant cars? It's such a specifically stupid argument that I have a hard time believing more than one person came up with it on their own. It's like if you were debating coke vs pepsi, and suddenly there were hundreds of people chiming in, "Have you tried standing on your head and peeing into your own mouth?" It's neither intelligent nor relevant in any way. That's what you sound like. Having one person say it is weird, but seeing multiple comments makes you wonder if you're not just mindlessly repeating something somebody told you to say.
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....no, it results in the seller no longer owning it. That is the only point.
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Awesome, I love the approach. 👍🏾
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It lowers the value. If plenty of fairly new Teslas can be found fairly cheap, it will disincentivize people who do want a Tesla from buying new. Hopefully takes the stock price down, which is what most of Pres. Musk's wealth is based on.
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I get the sentiment and am on board 100% that Elon Musk is a fucking loser Nazi -- but what a condescending note. Whoever wrote this note needs to mind their own business, and maybe take a week away from the internet.
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Whoever wrote this wants the value of tesla to crash...
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Definitely agree there. I get suggesting alternatives but literally everything they explicitly listed is really pricey. Assuming their tesla is paid off, who'd go another 20 to 30k in debt because of a note?
It would make more sense slap an anti Elon bumper sticker on and keep driving it until either EVs get cheaper or they can afford something different
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Whoever made this probably thinks that the currently favored "call them all Nazis" approach is more likely to form/feed persecution complexes.
A simple 'Swasticar' sticker, for example, will make the owner feel personally attacked, even though it's meant to be an attack on Musk and doesn't really have anything to do with them.
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i mean. wouldnt rebadging it and putting a "fuck elon" bumper sticker be more of a message than selling it to another sucker?
(also ripping out the spyware laden computer system that reports all activity INCLUDING CAMERAS back to hitlerHQ and can remotely disable your car)
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On your second point: unfortunately that’s the system that makes the car go
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hopefully someone will eventually make an elon-removal retrofit
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The car is still completely functional without an internet connection. You could just disconnect the cellular antenna and drive perfectly fine forever (just without ever getting software updates, traffic and map updates, and being able to use music apps in the car).
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Unfortunately, it would send a message to folks who do things like storm government buildings and kill cops. I wouldn't want one of those deranged lunatics coming after me.
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If they tank in price I wonder how practical it would be to swap a normal truck body onto one. Wouldn’t mind a cheap EV truck.
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If the price goes low enough, just rip out the battery and use it as home solar energy storage.
Turn the cabin into a chicken coop.
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$100k chicken coop. I love it.
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I test drove the ioniq 5 and it was the most fun car ive driven. Its like a gocart. :)
I didnt like the design though.
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I really like the design but they didn't have as much headroom as I would like. I'm 6'4" and I ended up getting a model 3. I bought it used, Elon was definitely an asshole at the time but not a nazi yet and I wanted to give him the smallest amount of money possible.
On the flyer in the post the person might want to mention not selling the car back to Tesla because they'll just try and resell it and make more money.
I'm really hoping I can avoid purchasing another car until I can get my hands on either an Aptera or a Telo. Or if I win the lottery maybe a Lucid or one of those Mercedes with the solid state battery I've read about recently.
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Polestar is Chinese, since Volvo is Chinese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Shufu
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So?
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Technically Volvo (and I assume Polestar) are publicly traded but for a while Geely owned it, which is the same as Tencent owning something, etc. It's still a swedish company and I think because it's operated out of Sweden, there isn't the same pushback in the US.
That said, the note doesn't seem to understand that all those companies are kind of shitty and owned by rich people, except maybe Hyundai?
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That's the type of note that I would set fire to and drive away lol.
Imagine telling someone they need to sell their car because of something someone else did.
Y'all are straight up delusional at this point.
And to be clear I think the cybertruck is a fuck ugly piece of shit vehicle that doesn't do anything very well, but I also don't think anyone has the right to tell other people what cars they can and cannot drive.
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I know freedom of speech is meaniless in america now... but at one point, you had the right to say anything to someone. Now rather said speech carried conquences, well...
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You guys have the right to say whatever you want. It's the defacing/damaging of property where you guys lose me. If you wanna stand out front of a Tesla store and tell about how shitty the truck is and how much you despise Elon to right ahead. When you nutjobs starts shooting the stores or setting them in fire that's where you lose me.
We still have freedom of speech and people are still free to ignore you when you yell ridiculous nonsense.
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Were sorry you didn't sign up for doing any research into your piece of shit car or the idiot asshole that owns it
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Good damn when will the soft language end? When we're all dead? He's not a Nazi sympathizer, he's just a fucking Nazi.
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So was Henry ford but this dumb letter is shilling ford
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They were never cool
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It's giving chatgpt.
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