Found on /r/buyfromEU, thread in body (Lemmy mentioned)

The CEO of Proton is pro-Trump.
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
- Seeing Proton on the list so many times got me thinking. We let Google take over all of our services, and then they got worse and worse. Is there some system in place to stop Proton enshittifying once they've taken over the internet? Especially in light of the CEO apparently being an asswad.
- Hasn’t this been debunked?
  https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
  
  This doesn't change the CEO using an official proton account to praise trump and call him the GOP the party of the little guy. I don't care about their real ideological opinion, but rather whether they're going to gargle fascist balls and betray privacy. Trust is a fragile thing
  Edit:a word
- fuck
- lol who give a shit? Stop bringing politics into everything

Whether an app/service is EU based should not always be a deciding factor when determining if it should be recommended.
Signal is a great example of that. It is based in the US, but surpasses other mobile messaging apps in terms of privacy and convenience. It is a US-based app you should recommend.
So let's be nuanced and take into account that EU-based products or services may not always be the best choice, even with regards to empowering European citizens. In many cases, you will find that European states seek to disempower their citizens through the use of surveillance. So it is pretty ironic when a team of Americans are empowering you while your own government seeks to take that power away (Chat Control and the likes) to further subjugate you.
- While I do agree with the general sentiment, this is NOT a "best product ever" community. Thos community has the explicit goal to provide European alternatives. Otherwise we could just scrap the entire idea and just go back to YouTube, Google and MS Office. Because let's be real for a moment. They are at the top of their respective markets for a reason.
  Also, Signal sucks! The only thing it has going for itself is security. Everything else is at best on par with other messengers. Signal has no voting, no tool bots, no topics for group chats, no cloud backup, etc.
  No bear in mind, if security is what you want from a messenger, then Signal will do the job. But then again, why not just promote Matrix? It has pretty much the same (lack of) features and it's actually European.
  
  As much as I like matrix it's not an alternative to Signal. Matrix is more akin to discord/slack/teams. The lack of bloat is why people love signal.

For the love of all gods, stop recommending Proton, it's run by a fascist Trump-loving cryptoscammer that hates open standards even more than Silicon Valley tech-bros. You might as well use American companies at that point.
- For the love of all gods
  That's something a Skyrim NPC would say.
- That’s strong accusations and the first I’m hearing of that. Do you have a source? Because the only controversy I know of is that their CEO praised Trump’s pick for attorney general for the antitrust division a bit too enthusiastically. Which is not a stellar look but that does not make him a „fascist Trump-loving cryptoscammer that hates open standards.“
  
  The only place people are throwing up the whole Proton / Trump controversy is Reddit and Lemmy. Lemmy is particularly worse. As bad as the endless scrolling of Linux praise and Windows bashing.
  There's an article somewhere where someone did a deep dive and ultimately concluded that the Protons CEO views do not coincide with that of Trump or his party.
  
  he's not a hitler-loving Nazi he just really likes that Goebbels dude.
  
  !protonprivacy@lemmy.world

It took me a while to understand why some apps/services had a + on top

These lists are consistently bad. To the extent I'm beginning to think it's intentional so people don't like the alternatives and go back to the worst.
- Make a better one
  
  Thats actually good idea, might do
- !selfhosted@lemmy.world
  It does feel daunting to start, but the community is there to help 😊

There’s also Norwegian Jotta Cloud for cloud drive.

There is also Aptoide to replace Google's Play Store

That’s how i came and register from reddit just like 5 mins ago and this is my first ever comment.
- SAME ! ～(つˆ0ˆ)つ｡☆

OsmAnd is a great map alternative as well, works great for any type of navigation
- (there's the open source free full version on F-Droid)

AFAIK HERE WeGo is an European maps app too.
- These sharepics are simply not exhaustive. Having example alternatives and then pointing to one of three comparison websites, might be a better approach. But this would also be more convoluted.
- +1, great alternative to gmaps, including traffic and public transport
- That doesn't use osm. Imo, it is just not as good
  
  Missing traffic updates for smaller countries is an issue with osm

Session and Threema are not good alternatives to Signal

TIL that Bitwarden is an US company. I love the product but thats a risk
- It's also self-hostable and FOSS.
- Is there a concern there is going to be a tech trade war?
  
  You never know
- at least you can self-host
- What's the risk? That they would shut down operations randomly in the EU?
  
  That they are forced to implement a backdoor for US authorities.
- Switched to proton pass free from paid bitwarden and gotta say, its just better on so many fronts.
  
  Same
  
  I pay for SimpleLogin and as a result get Proton Pass. I began moving to it from Bitwarden but aborted when I saw it can't manage app passwords. Basically on Android (maybe iOS too) I can sign into apps using Bitwarden.

Wtf don't recommend BeReal! They've been bought by Voodoo, a shady company trying everything they can to bypass Android/iOS privacy protection

Magic Earth, unlike Google Maps, not only offers you to show the known speed limits. It shows you radar traps.

Most of Session's developers are Australian.
They moved their product to Switzerland because the Australian government started raiding them.
They seem to be a cool bunch but for some reason don't want to implement some wanted privacy features.
- I like so much about it in concept but Oxen feels like a grift, like it's trying to be Onion Routing but by Crypto bros.
  
  Maybe they'll reconsider and switch to a non crypto bro onion network. Or some people take it up and remove it.
- Ugh. I JUST started using it.
  
  Well moving to Switzerland is a good move. But that doesn't mean the developers in Australia are completely safe from their government.
  Them removing Perfect Forward Secrecy is detailed below. I don't really have an opinion on it, but many people say it's not a good choice.
  https://getsession.org/blog/a-response-to-recent-claims-about-sessions-security-architecture
  https://getsession.org/session-protocol-technical-information
  I still have hope for the project, although I wish it got completely decoupled from the crypto aspect. They think that people won't support the network if there was no incentive, and that they themselves will not earn money from donations and other stuff. In reality the incentive makes it so you'd have to stake €700 (last time I checked on previous network) to add a node to the network, making it very hard to help out with cheap servers. And them having the crypto aspect does not make me want to donate.
  The built-in onion network and anti KYC is pretty amazing. They also have offline message queues which many P2P projects lack.
  My hopes are still up.
  
  Check simplex, I think its much better
  https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm
- And I read there are some issues with their crypto implementation

Why does everyone recommend Vivaldi and opera is left out? Genuinely asking 🙏
- As of the end of 2023, Opera Software was 72.4% owned by Kunlun, a Chinese public company, making it a subsidiary of that company. Opera CEO Zhou Yahui is a controlling shareholder in Kunlun.
  Wikipedia
  
  Gracias

I can vouch for the Kdrive/Kmail from infomaniak. Great service for the price, the switch was almost seamless (with gmail forwarding to my @ik.me mail)

Mapy.cz is an absolute must for hiking in Czechia and Slovakia, Google maps isn't even close. Not sure how the situation is in other countries though
Curently trying it as my daily driver and it does pretty good job too
- Mapy is great for hiking outside of Czechia and Slovakia, I use it a lot in the Netherlands! I had to stop using the navigation tough because I ran into some issues with it.
  
  Outside of Czechia mapy just uses openstreetmap data, that is why it works so well for hiking

I thought money to Lemmy (not your instance but the founders) went to a US organisation?
It's still federated so I guess it doesn't really matter much, but still...
- The two main Lemmy devs are European. One of the feddit.uk Admins is also now part of the team.
- They get funds from the EU, so I don't think it's a US organization

good luck with the pale moon extension support

That's a good one
Maybe I'd add airvpn too, but either way, a good guide
(Among others I have filen, protonmail, simplex, matrix, lemmy, keepass, lemmy and organic maps:)

Why does it include iCloud, iMessage, and Keychain, but not Apple’s Calendar, Mail, and Maps

omg again with this propaganda 😱

Shout out to the Arc Browser
- Arc is just Chromium in a trench coat

The CEO of Proton is pro-Trump.