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Trauma is Trauma.
No. No it isn't. If you're poor and struggling to meet the ends, with no prospect for proper diagnosis, not to mention little hope for getting professional help, then trauma might as well be the death sentence for you. If you're rich, famous and have plenty of contacts, then trauma is something you can control, conceal, cure and then return to snorting quality coke after you sign very profitable deal to write "MY LIFE WITH A MONSTER: A TRAGIC STORY" book.
Stop presenting celebrities with truckloads of money as "we're all in this together" kind of people. They may have the same problems, but also they have way more solutions and options opened to them.
Ah yes, because rich people have never killed themselves.
I recognize that capitalism is flawed as fuck, but people can have their material needs met and still suffer trauma.
The struggle of the person who can't do much or anything about the trauma is massively bigger than that of the person who has the access to meds, specialists, groups comforting them, and who doesn't have to worry about food and shelter.
If you don't understand it, then you're too privileged to have this conversation.
Imagine gatekeeping mental health
Not so long ago, a guy in NY metro was strangled to death, because he was perceived as a menace to the public. Apparently he had mental issues as well.
Feel free to explain it to him, that a person who lives in luxury and enjoys the status of a celebrity shares his struggle in the same way he did.
...oh no, wait, he is dead. Explain it to his family, then.
No one shares the exact same struggle with anyone else. You are right to say that everyone suffers differently. However, just because different people's suffer differently doesn't mean there aren't also some similarities between them, similarities like the underying mental issues issues themselves.
A person going through trauma and a perfectly healthy person DO share some similarities too and struggle with some similar issues, like the uncertainty of the future.
Are these similarities enough for the healthy to tell the suffering one about "the struggle" and claim they are traveling on the same train, so to speak?
As far as I'm concerned - it's not. Hence my "stay in your own fantasy lalalalaland, rich boy, and don't wave a victim card before my eyes, it's invalid here in the land of poor".
Dude, not every conversation needs to be about privilege.
You are really looking for a reason to be offended here.
Dude, not every conversation needs to be about privilege.
I have no idea what you're talking about, dude.
All while having an army of people trying to exploit their trauma, pry into details to disseminate to the public, and / or trigger them into "outrageous" behaviors. They face pressure to maintain their image from people more concerned about their own paycheck than the mental health of the celebrity. On top that, there are no shortage of people eager to shit on them just because of their celebrity status.
Yes, celebrities have more resources, but they also face different challenges that most people cannot relate to which creates an increased feeling of isolation.
Anybody seeking help should have support and naysaying actively works against providing that support.
...all while having an army of supporters. And money. There's no waltzing around this fact, dude.
Go to suburbs where homeless with mental issues live and explain to them that celebrities, who waste more money that they ever had on trivial 1st world luxury products, struggle as much as they do.
Go on.
You seem to have a lot of animosity towards people with money. I'm not sure what the cause is, and it's none of my business, but I hope that you are able to find peace with that one day. It's a terrible burden to live with such negativity.
Dismissing the suffering of one person because others have it worse dismisses that trauma and suffering is subjective to the individual. You can almost always find a group or individual that has gone through something worse, and what is traumatic for one person might be common place for another. Everybody is different and everybody deserves the opportunity to seek help if they think it could benefit them.
You seem to have a lot of animosity towards people with money.
No. I have only scorn for those with money and power who play victims, like they know what it is to struggle with same issues and have your options to deal with it severely limited.
It's like watching Arnold Schwarzenegger "imprisoned" in his luxurious manor during Covid, complaining online how much he shares the pain of all the people who have to live in flats no bigger than his supplies room.
Only scorn.
Whatever you want to call it, it sounds like it brings a lot of negativity into your life. Have you tried talking to somebody about why you feel so personally offended by this behavior of this particular group of individuals. I really do hope that you can find a way to accept this thing that troubles you so much.
Whatever you want to call it, it sounds like it brings a lot of negativity into your life.
Not really. I forgot about this thread and this event a few minutes after I closed my notebook and went to bed to sleep like a baby.
In fact, if nobody would respond, I wouldn't recall this whole conversation either.
That's great to hear! I wish you a happy life.
Likewise, and may you ALWAYS have good people around, to share stories with, both happy and sad. 🤜 🤛
Dude it's not about who has the biggest struggle, everyone struggling needs help in some way, even if it's to recognize how their struggle compares to others
Dude, if you struggle with trauma while poor, your road is very different to the person who can afford professional help.
The trauma of a poor person evolves in entirely different directions, because it's strengthened and mutated by additional fears and struggle, the rich does not know.
And therefore trauma of poor isn't trauma of rich.
@jesterraiin @EndOfLine I think I had to see what you mean in a really cold way and it's heart breaking as well as being a really complex topic, I think it's hard to understand for many people. Also very unseen :(
Trauma is still trauma psychologically to the person who experienced it. The point being made isn't how it's dealt with, but how people put degrees on trauma. Like a person suffering a traumatic event in a war is worse than trauma of being bullied as a child. The way these events affect the mind is the same; trauma is trauma.
The difference between the rich person who can seek therapy and the poor person who can't is that the poor person experiences continued trauma caused by the system that keeps them from affording proper care.
I agree. To add to your comment, not everyone who goes through therapy is able to get rid of the trauma. When it comes to mental health issues, money is often not enough.
...and therefore, what the poor goes through is something different to what the rich one goes through.
Yes, that's what I've been saying.
Did you watch the video? He's not saying that all trauma is in fact equal in severity. He's saying that the body responds to all trauma as trauma and it's always legitimate. The video is an effort to raise awareness of how trauma can effect you, and how we downplay/minimize our own trauma because we compare it to horrible shit other people have been through.
There are many different kinds of trauma (complex trauma, single incidents, emotional, physical, etc.) and each person is unique in how they feel/are affected by it, but his point is that your body doesn't care if somebody calling you a mean name as a kid isn't "bad enough" in your mind to be trauma, or if you know people who have been through worse things--if you endure a trauma, your body/mind will interpret it as a trauma, and to heal, we have to recognize what our traumas have been and process them.
It's actually a super important message and relevant to a shocking number of people.
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