Trump gave Europe three weeks to sign off on Ukraine "surrender": MEP

The European NATO members should tell the AmeriKans they have 3 weeks to shutdown all their military bases until Jan 2029.
- Nah. Keep them closed forever. We dont need the traitor alliance
- And keep them shut if fair elections are not allowed to be carried out by their reality tv star dictator.

Trump is gambling with monopoly money.
- He put all his money on red.
  But Europe is playing poker.

Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that's going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.
- Europe countries do not have the power to "unleash holy hell upon the US."
  
  France's thermonuclear arsenal says hello.

And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.
- Or what?

What would be the purpose of US support in Europe if not defending against Russia?
The US presence in Europe exists to facilitate US power projection, if we are not stopping Russian advancement then there is no reason for host countries to allow US bases in their territory.
- Cleary its time for Europe to round up, cage up, and deport all Americans and put a wall around Europe. And America will be made to pay for it.
  If its a good enough policy for mexican and central american countries' citizens then its a good enough policy for American citizens. They have no right to flee their own collapsing country into Europe, bringing their failed philosophies and neglected personal health with them. Doubly so if they are poorly educated. Many of them are probably servants of Putin and his terrorism, thus terrorists themselves.
  Lets try that one on for size. Doesnt feel very good does it, my fellow Americans.
- I think most americans simply feel like they are losing stuff theyve had for a long time, never considering whether they should have had it to begin with.

- You're assuming they didn't help bring this about in the first place.
- Only to protect the interests of capital though. If you're a popular black guy talking about economic distribution then you're cooked, but increasing the wealth from the middle-class to the rich and killing the opposition is what the CIA is for.

Art of the deal. Plan A is to give three weeks to sign off on the surrender. When they refuse, Plan B starts. Plan B is that there is no Plan B.

If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life
- "If any man dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse!" - Winston Churchill, 1940.
- Hungary and Slovakia for sure. Italy is heading in that direction after Meloni cried about the anti-trump meeting held in Paris.
- You can count on Hungary and maybe Slovakia to grovel...like good america/russia first Europeans.
  
  Possibly Serbia too
- I was already boycotting france because their coffee portions are so small.

Call his bluff.
American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.
- Military bases and soldiers are the opposite of soft power
  
  Eh, it's at least hybrid. Classic hard power is the use of the military. That can include garrisoning but usually by force, not by permission.
- If you think about it from position of China being the biggest threat, then only Asian bases and countries matter. That's why we don't hear much about Trump doing crazy things in that region.
  While Europe is important, it should be able to fend for itself. Also Europe joining China is unlikely in short and mid term. So it make sense to spend less money on Europe and focus on Asia.
  Also explains the Russia situation. Although culturally Russia is as European as Sweden and Germany, this war has pushed it closer to China than ever. If the conflict lasts longer, then their alignment would be immenent. Personally I'm surprised that they didn't align more. China was being surprisingly passive about the whole thing.
  
  Isn't china already heavily invested/investing in Hungary?
  
  I think Trump will manage to push Europe into China's arms well within the next 4 years at the rate he's going. If Europe can get China to back Ukraine I think that's all it would take at this time.

Repuglican patsy sure talks big

Fucking piece of shit.
- Also known as "pig hitler"

If I was a Russian agent, and had managed to become the US President, he's doing EXACTLY what I would to to gut and destroy the US. The Fanta Menace doesn't even seem to be trying to hide the fact he works for Putin. So how has he not been charges with treason? Signed, Confused Non-US person.
- Because the republicans have spent years gutting oversight, and decades making the populace dumber. This is their final putsch to fully gut the government so they can have complete power. And they’ve mostly succeeded already. The people are beyond disengaged from four years of this four years ago, plus Covid, plus struggling to survive in late stage American capitalism. It’s the perfect storm for a fascist takeover. And they’re taking full advantage.
  
  Brilliant use of putsch!
- Fanta Menace 🤣

Yeah, well we didn't vote for him. He can keep his lunacy for his subjects.
- Pretty sure they didn't vote for him either.
  
  I'm begging for Americans to do something against Trump. You can't just let someone who's so blatantly under Putin's thumb destroy everything.
  
  Over 50% of the once that went voting voted for trump. If you didnt vote, that was your vote. The vote to not give a fuck but still life with the aftermath

Do it! I dare you! Fuck of from europe! Take all your companies with you! Dont sell us weapons anymore!
Democracie is none negotiatable and we dont negotiate with terrorist acomplices!

This sounds like a blessing in a very thin disguise.

Or... Trump can pull the us military out of Europe, Canada joins the EU, and we seize American and russian assets to build a truly massive army.
- The very first requirement to join the EU is to be in Europe. Try seizing American assets and see what happens.
  
  Trump tries to send the army to fight the Europeans and they refuse because they aren't as r****ded as he is?
- EU with the last part already way ahead of you

Even if we were to agree to those demands, there is no garantie they would actually help in defense of us!
We had to defend them when they called articel 5 but wont do the same for us!
- I really hope the rest of the world leaders keep this at the forefront of their mind: Trump doesn't keep his word. Also, Trump doesn't pay his debts.
  Attempting to make ANY deal with him is foolish. The wisest move is to expect him to screw over anyone who attempts to "work with" him, because unless you're holding his purse strings, he'll use you and lose you at his soonest opportunity. He is a cancer cell stealing resources from all the healthy cells around him - expect him to give nothing and take everything for his own gain.
  I know to some that is "preaching to the choir," but living in the U.S. at a time like this, I really don't know who's been charmed by his BS vs who can see what's really going on. I imagine those outside the U.S. have better perspective, but I can't just expect people to be rational anymore.

Fuck him. First, he'll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he'll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the "deals" that he's made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he'll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won't.
Don't ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he'll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, "Sorry, we don't agree. If that means you'll withdraw, then don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out." Bam! End of bullying and if he didn't want to withdraw, he'll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).
- Ukraine can't survive without US assistance.
  
  Maybe not, even probably not, but with Europe's help it can at least keep fighting for now, with the possibility that something could happen in US or Russia to change the equation in that time. That's all very uncertain, but what is certain is that if Europe agrees to this Putin/Trump terms of surrender, it's over for Ukraine immediately. And then other countries will be next.

Some notes:
this is not confirmed, but seems credible enough to speculate about
regardless of veracity, European defense readiness needs a big boost, and people are working on the instruments that would allow giving that boost
another source says that Trump is planning cuts in the US armed forces, to the tune of 8% per year [sources that add "for multiple years" remain hearsay for me]
around January 20, I saw a table circulating on social media, describing Trump's intended cuts, and that table did drop about 21 brigades and paused the development of various capabilities (edit: found it)
so apparently, the Trump administration intends to lower its defense readiness no matter what, believing it has too much
On this background, not much point negotiating with him. He is framing as an ultimatum what he intends to do anyway. No point getting delayed either.
Just get the framework agreed upon, and quickly start supplying Ukraine with fresh stuff. Ukrainians aren't newbies, for now they have accumulated some small reserves (they knew what to expect under Trump, and Biden's administration pushed the last remains of its assistance out like there was no tomorrow)... but arrival of European assistance must start rapidly increasing within a window of 2..3 months.
- Holy shit if those are true he's planning to completely destroy the Army's ability to project force and stop the procurement of modern combat vehicles. Then he wants to tie up money in long lead stuff with Naval ship procurement. So we couldn't effectively reverse that decision after he's dead or out of power.
  This could not be more calculated to fuck up our position as the pre-eminent world power. It's exactly what China and Russia would request.
  
  It’s exactly what.... Russia would request.
  No coincidence there. Trump really is that stupid and traitorous.

In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland's Mika Aaltola of the European People's Party claimed that the U.S. "has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender," referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.
"If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe," Aaltola added.
Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.
And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.
- To be fair, Mika Aaltola is known in Finland as a noted populist and doomsayer that has a flair for the dramatic. His foreign policy predictions have also been pretty much all wrong since before the start of war in Ukraine.
  I'd take anything he says or leaks with a big spoon of salt.
- He is also lying he will hand over Europe the second Ukraine falls or daddy Putin commands him to.

risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Why is this a threat? Is there a reason Europe would want a hostile country to remain there?
- Because Europe can't defend itself.
- Yeah. We need to prepare to defend Greenland from the US. Having 100.000 enemy troops stationed all over the continent who need to be contained first makes it practically impossible.
  And now the mask is finally peeling off. The US bases around the world are not their to defend the countries they are in. They are there to defend the US interests. This should be obvious to anyone, who can read just a little bit of history, but better late than never.
  
  I agree, but at least before Trump defending Europe was a common interest of Europe and the USA

Oh they are still here?
- Regrettably
- Yeah. Their nukes too

Russia is losing in Ukraine but some how in the Orange Turds mind Russia is wining. Russia has the upper hand with their Puppet in the USA.
- No no, he doesn't think that Russia is winning, he wants Russia to win.
  
  He needs Russia to win...
  Because Putin demands it of him to force it that way.
  
  It would set a good precedent for his plans with Canada and Greenland.
- Russia has the upper hand in Trump's ass.
- Most analysts these days say that Ukraine is about to collapse military in the next year. More weapons alone wont cut it anymore as Ukraine is running out of troops to use them.
  The strategy of using Ukraine to exhaust Russia, but never give Ukraine what it needed to defend itself fully and win, just for Ukraine to keep not losing, is failing now.
  Russia incurrs high losses, but it is not exhausted yet.
  
  Russia is using donkeys for frontline logistics and sending battalions of severely wounded/disabled people into battle to soak up bullets. They also don't rotate people off the frontline like, ever. They're not doing ok. Yes they're taking a small amount of ground, but they're bleeding themselves dry to do it.
  
  So they need more boots on the ground? I have boots.
- Russia is losing in Ukraine
  I'd like to also take a hit from your pipe, bro. That shit must be very good
  
  Id say having to revert to donkeys and 30+ year old civilian shitboxes is losing for the "2nd greatest army".
  
  Tell me why and how russia is winning? Im truely interested

I mean, we've all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.
Jog on.
Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They're looking at how you're throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking "Oh hell yes".
- I'm confused by what you mean. Yes, if you disconnect from Europe you would absolutely need China's supply chain. And Russia proved it's a very powerful supply chain. Hate it all you want, but without even sending weapons, Russia was able to sustain the war under massive sanctions.
  I mean, if Trump actually secures China's supply chain and actually decided war is the best way to resolve Greenland and Panama, well, the world would be completely fucked. There's nothing the rest of the world could do to stop any of this. The horrifying combination of US military, tech and China's production capacity, Jesus fuck that's terrifying.
  The worst thing is, this is now a likely scenario. Considering Trump and Putin are both on board, the entirety of humanity is now dependant on Xi not being as power hungry and insane. God this is nightmare fuel.
  
  I kinda doubt China wants to share things with the US. That and I doubt Putin wants the China to be stronger either. I think China would be cool not stepping in the way of the US and Russia so long as they see some opportunities for themselves.
  
  The reason for this happening now is that Russia is on the verge of collapse and Putin has turned the screws on trump. If things don't go his way the pee tape will leak
  
  It's about whether US will do the same throw under the bus routine with Taiwan I think. China would love to know that the US won't seriously contest an attempt to invade their neighbor across the strait
  
  They got loads of weapons and ammunition, even soldiers.
- BRICS vs. The G2 X2.
  
  The G2 X2.
  🤮

Any American willing to fight Europe is a piece of shit, especially if it’s your job.
- Coming soon: "Fuck you for your service."
- Agreed. I have my piano wire at the ready just in case.

Is that recent picture?
Dude may not have three weeks.
- Imagine what he'd look like without the make-up.
- I'm pretty sure he's on Ozempic now.
  
  Denmark should really stop exporting that to them

He's gonna withdraw anyways...he works for you Putin. They are ramping for WW3 with the world vs USA/Russia/China..fucked up to put us with Russia but here we are.
- Yeah he'll withdraw troops and NATO support no matter how things go in Europe ...
  He'll need more armyboots at home defending his regime ... also needs to recoup costs due to losing out on tax income and tariff lies. Then there is this thing where he wants to give Putin this favor of dismantling NATO.
  So, his demand was 2% in 2017 ... and countries are exceeding that, Poland is already spending more than even the US, and Germany is climbing, so he upped it to 5% to get the excuse of the US backing out.
  Even if they meet 5%, in a few years he'll up it further.
  Ofcourse for now he'll assume the NATO members still feel bound to keep supplying intelligence information and buy American weaponry, even if NATO falls apart.
  
  The other four of the Five Eyes should be having a rethink. Maybe there are worse things than losing an eye.
  
  Pretty sure Poland is already on course to exceed 5%.
- Has China given an indication they're allied with the US? This is an earnest question.
  
  I think it's more trump / Putin and Putin/ Winnie the Pooh so they are just all friends
  
  Japan and Germany were strange bedfellows the last time this all happened, if you'll recall.
  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that.
  
  No.
- They are ramping for WW3 with the world vs USA/Russia/China…
  Holy fuck I feel so sorry for the world.
  Less than half of the US support Trump though, so the US would either be on the side of the World or fighting its own civil war.
  
  About 2/3 of the voting age no?
  1/3 actively voted for him, and 1/3 was "fine with either option"
  
  Congressional approval is required for acts of war. I know the Republicans have Congress, but are they willing to go that far??
- So a new call to the army for all european people and here we go again. Monkeys spinning the wheel because of a bunch of useless people.

risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Do it, coward
- I really do hope the eu doesn't even negotiate with terrorists.
- Boy do I wish the EU and the UK would sign an agreement to cut all trade immediately with the U.S. and force the isolation this bafoon pretends they want. Prices will skyrocket everywhere, but the number of dumb Trump followers will fall off a cliff and he would be forced to step down by the oligarchs he surrounded himself with. The market would crash for certain.
  
  Idk anymore. The maga handlers have complete control of the maga cult media machine. I could imagine this happening, and right media spinning up a lie that maga eats up. "Biden did this with the Democrats!" He encouraged a coup that was recorded, and people all but forgot about it.
- We'll keep all the non-personel weaponry tyvm!

Time for Europe to man up and show the middle finger.
- As an American I am begging Europe not to give in to appeasement. Traitorapist Trump is a huge liar and buffoon. You have to stand up to Trump or he will keep abusing you over and over. Europe + Ukraine is way more powerful than Russia is anyway. Also, we need a big shock to the system to take our country back from Putin's stooge.

Okthxbye

So three weeks to either suck up to the US until Russia snipes them off while the US does so as well. Trump opening up with wanting to acquire Greenland and Canada wasn't him being mad, it wasn't him being resentful, it wasn't him being a strong man, it was always within the context of where Trump's US along with Russia are positioning themselves now. Forget the bombing of Hiroshima, if a nuclear bomb got dropped in Ukraine or Europe, Trump and his followers would blame Europe and do nothing to help it. The US has gone from being schizophrenic bipolar to just being psychotic. COVID was a herald of the world that awaits them, people will get to decide if they follow it as slaves or die with some dignity, knowing that their legacy might be buried under a sea of lies.

He can shove this bullshit up his fat orange ass.