5mo ago

Zelensky didn't "start" the war, he provoked it

thegrayzone.substack.com

Trump's heresy was not literally true, but it was grounded in a fundamental truth that has been denied to Americans so the national security state could bilk them for billions.

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Great, the Russian propaganda bots have arrived in the fediverse.
- That’s not really a thing in the fediverse.
  Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
  Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
  MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- I've had this guy tagged as a Tankie for quite a while. Recommend y'all do the same
- They've been here for a while.
- Lemmy.ml is full of propaganda in general
  
  Uh-huh. Maybe learn about the history of propaganda and develop real media literacy.
  📺 Noam Chomsky: The five filters of the mass media machine
  📺 You're Not Immune To Propaganda
  Walter Lippmann, Public Opinion
  Edward Bernays, Propaganda
  Michael Parenti,
  Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media
  Make-believe Media: The Politics of Entertainment
  Noam Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
Yes, the state in russia started the invasion. Thanks for just saying it.
Y'all wackos can say whatever you want about how ukraine was wearing a hot dress or whatnot. It doesn't matter.
- https://tankie.tube/w/8oEAyZfQY6SwqpYmoEkWxJ libs and minimizing genocide. Name a more iconic duo.
  Y'all can pretend this is analogous to any sort of abuse to obfuscate the fact that you refuse to learn a single fucking bit of history regarding the war, but the intervention was legal under Ukrainian law itself. States have a right to secede via referendum, did so after the US funded nazi coup, and begged Russia to stop the indiscriminate shelling of civilians by the maidan regime that ensued for almost a decade after.
  Several peace agreements had been reached to stop Ukraine from bombing civilians, but the ultra right within the Ukrainian army refused to abide by them. There's videos of Zelensky ordering them to do it and them treating him like an irrelevant idiot.
  
  Reporter: [REDACTED]
  Reason: tankie ass response
  BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
  Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
  Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
  The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
  The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
  WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
  Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
  The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
  openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
  Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
  Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
  Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
  NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
Please don’t post articles that are behind hard paywalls, or if you do, paste in the relevant parts of it.
- Ukraine openly stated they want nukes and nato membership.
  
  And Russia quickly demonstrated why Ukraine was right to want such things.
- Russia is the victim here. Stop victim blaming and projecting your victim blaming on your opponents.
  
  I really thought you were being down voted for an obviously sarcastic comment. Read your post history and then realised that you haven't been downvoted enough. So let me help with that
Some people are so propagandized that if trump says water is wet they will say its dry
people put things like THAT behind paywalls?
- @schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de One can read for free.
how did everyone access the article?
I would like to know if its the same tired 40 year old argument on "sphere of influence" or actually something interesting at least from the "intellectual elasticity" point of view?

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