3 steps to find nazis

I was taught when I was young that you don't call something that isn't really genocide genocide, someone that isn't a nazi a nazi, etc. because it dilutes the meaning of the word. I do think that Israel is committing a genocide, and I do think that Musk is a neo-nazi; I'm not diluting these terms to say this.
- He backs the neo-nazi party of Germany and does the Hitler salute as well as Hitler himself. He's 100% a neo-nazi.
  
  Are you... disagreeing with me? Or are you reaffirming what I'm saying? I am not sure I understand the point of this comment.
- And calling critisim of israel anti-semetic dilutes the meaning of that word.
  
  Which, funny enough, is exactly what Nazis want.
- Thing is, awful things are happening so often that people are just getting tired of hearing the word regardless of how serious the issues are, and how much more serious they keep getting.
  
  That's true. So I think we need to come up with cleverer ways to make people see Musk as a threat. Just because he is a Nazi doesn't mean pointing at him and crying wolf is the best way to fight.
- I would say he's a fascist rather than a neo-nazi, but that's very much a distinction without a difference.
  
  He did a sieg heil at a political rally and repeated the word "victory" twice in his speech. Hes spoken at a German far right rally and told them to get over their guilt for the holocaust and to be proud of being German. He signal boosts neo-nazi's on his social media.
  He's a neo-nazi.

ah, the before times.
Now they're the guys with their arms in the air. pretty hard to miss.
- No no, you see they are being "ironic"! Don't you understand their alpha brained comedy? /s
  
  👌
  "riot sounds create riots"
  
  Those guys with swastika bands are just doing the roman salute, though. /s
- This is exactly what I was thinking. You don't need to employ any tricks right now, they're pretty open about it.

Nazis, plural. Where there's one Nazi, there's guaranteed multiple more hiding nearby.
- Like roaches, except more skeevy.
  
  and less clean
- At this point, they may not even be hiding

I'm gonna channel John brown with every nazi I see
- I've seen people unironically insist John Brown was a Nazi. I believe "posting John Brown memes" was one of the arguments for banning a swath of leftist subs on Reddit, back in '16.
  
  A man who gave his life to free slaves is no nazi. The fact that it's controversial to say slaves should be free is what made me radicalized

One day Nazis are going to find out again that people love killing Nazis more than Nazis love killing their undesirables.
- You gotta use all caps to really show how much we LOVE killing Nazis.

I really want to remember the name of a program/skit from Germany, where a man complains about nazi soldiers putting up a nazi poster outside his house's wall, then a Gestapo officer comes along, "Why are you calling them nazis? Just because you disagree doesn't mean they're nazis""
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI
  This?
  
  Yes! Thank you!

I do think it's important to try to respectfully explain why what somebody is saying is an issue but only when you have the energy.
I know from some people I've spoken with that they have no idea about the consequences of some things they (used to) agree with. If I had just called them Nazis they would have just felt disrespected and probably not thought about why people might call them that.
- There is some merit to this point. People are emotional creatures first, and sometimes exclusively. It often doesn't matter if you're right if the other people feels bad about it.
  This is a really immature, unsophisticated, way to engage with the world, but it's the reality for a lot of people. Honestly, it happens to all of us sometimes. Some people seem to rarely rise above the gutfeel level, though.
  It does kind of suck that we have to cater to the most simplistic ways of engaging with the world, because if we don't they'll form a far right party and do some genoide.
- but only when you have the energy.
  Thank you for this, because I don't have more than to post fuck Nazis
- Also because of the audience. This has probably the overall bigger impact on opinions than wether you can change that one person's mind. So even if you're sure that guy is lost, providing better alternatives is still worthwhile.
- Them feeling disrespected is correct, though.

Fuck Nazis! Anyone who waves a flag with a Swastika (not the Gammadion Cross), uses Aryan symbols and salutes like a fucking Nazi is a fucking Nazi. I'm just waiting for the MAGA asswipes to force the US military to goose step during parades with Jack Boots.

It's the year 2035 and Johnny returns home from school....
Johnny: Hi mom!
Mom: Get back here and greet your one and only mother properly!
Johnny: fuck nazis mom!
Mom: fuck nazis my handsome boy!
- And meanwhile, all over Johnny´s country, people are jailed, murdered and tortured for their ethnical background. But not by nazis, nonono.

Good to sort any pedantic or bad faith arguments out now. Pedantry didn't win the day to stave off WWII and that shit caught on quick. Let's get ahead of that this time.

I strongly suggest following him on Mastodon.
Replies to his posts are among the most useful tools you can have to get a good blocklist going.

Are there variations to this one cool trick? Like does (1.1′) calling any group of people Nazis, and (1.2′) telling them to go fuck themselves work the same as (1)? What are the limits to this incredibly faultless procedure? Inquiring minds want to know.
- the black sun with the whole color wheel makes me think pepe is a gay nazi
  
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  People who post images of text don't care about accessibility. People who don't care about accessibility are Nazis. So, people who don't care about accessibility can go fuck themselves.
  Don't be a Nazi: edit the post to include actual text or maybe a cool link to the actual content for those of us who need it for accessibility (& the rest of us who don’t like trying to read pixelated garbage).
- … you’re dancing ah awfully fine like here friend

Yeah, no.
In about as progressive as can be, but I'm not in favor of every dumb idea just because "it's a left idea". We live in the real world too, yet I've been called a Nazi multiple times for not fully agreeing with every tiny detail.
It's that exact attitude that had been pushing many people to the right, please stop doing that.
I'm against everything trump, pretty much everything what the Republican party has to offer, I can even see that Luigi has a good point that needs addressing, but at the same time I would like space to discuss items, or plain disagree with something. This space is omething that has disappeared since long time ago. I get it, but this is what trump wanted to begin with, create a "you're with ur or against us" atmosphere.
You have to be able to disagree with certain individual things or if not you're just in yet another fascist system.
Let the down votes come. Calls for being reasonable are very unpopular these days
- anticommunist
  I'm as progressive as can be!
  Every single time.
  
  You‘re a hero
  
  Thank you for doing that legwork.
- Is this you? https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi
  
  Thank you. Nobody who is actually progressive becomes a nazi because someone was mean to them on the internet. That's just fascist BS to get others to "be reasonable".
- There is currently a massive hate campaign on reddit against the owner of the "Optimists Unite" subreddit because it got flooded with anti-trump posts. It blew up when the owner said that he was going to clean up the subreddit and enforce rules so that it's not just another political rage sub. From there literally tens of thousands of people have spread the rumor that this person is a nazi, that they're right-wing and Trump supporter, etc. None of it had any real evidence other than a screenshot where he said he was going to "take the subreddit back" and somehow people took that to mean purging leftist politics entirely.
  I have no dogs in the fight, I'm an outspoken leftist but I certainly don't feel optimistic nor do I care what happens to the subreddit. But holy shit, the fervor and hate that people level against someone who just wants to do something specific and goal-oriented. The bots that jump into these bandwagons and hype up the emotions even more are making things even worse.
  This was just one example that had high visibility, but you can imagine how many smaller-scale dramas burn out this way where someone faces mob wrath for just not wanting to engage in the same political binary.
  To be clear, I think we should ALL engage in the political binary and fix the fucking thing, but I also wouldn't hold a gun to anyone's head and force them to wear a certain uniform or adhere to a specific narrative.
  Human tribalism is very dangerous on either side. It's far more dangerous on the right, but oftentimes even the best intentions just become fascism again when nobody is on-guard and careful how much power we're giving a storyline. For further reading, just read any history books about communism and revolutions. There is a hard-wired system in human beings where we form societies based around shared narratives, and this force helped us survive millions of years and form groups in adverse conditions, but those human qualities are not adapted to a very complicated, digital world where we can all see and share ideas across the globe in an instant.
  
  Being a Nazi is tribalism.
  Being anti-Nazi is being anti-tribalism.
  Absolutely everyone is welcome to be anti-Nazi, and we absolutely should all unite together as humanity in being anti-Nazi.
- What little detail was it?
- Nazis are pathetic, weak little losers who deserve to be mocked and humiliated. That's really all you need to say. Nazis need to feel powerful and superior, because they're actually pitiful and spineless, so call them out for what they are and you beat your Nazi allegations.
  On the other hand, Nazis thrive under "enlightened centrism", "all sides are the same", "tolerate everyone even the intolerant" so don't do that if you aren't a Nazi.
- Bye nazi scum
- Based af

I don't really like this, because Nazis were the german national "socialists", why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.
- Neo-nazis. Shortened to Nazi. I think we understand what it means given the context.
  
  Once again, Nazi was the name given to germans in WW2, because the National "Socialist" party, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
  Fascism is the word for the political ideology that Musk and Trump does in America, not "nazism", they are fascists.
  Here is a great video about fascism https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng
- The Nazis weren't Nazis, so we shouldn't call them Nazis either by that logic.
  If some dipshit pops out to say "they aren't German nationalists!" you've found a Nazi.
  
  The nazis were literally the nazis, what the are you talking about
- If it's a quacking waterfowl and it's duck season, you better believe I'm pulling the trigger.
- Nazis were the german national “socialists”, why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.
  To borrow from a certain Austrian politican from 1923
  "Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
  "Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
  "Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
  "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
  Besides, "The Fascist Party" was an organization originally founded by Benito Mussolini, having fallen out with the Italian Communist Party and formed his own reactionary splinter group. Fascism, as a reactionary response to the simultaneous popular appeal of socialism and the hostility it engenders from monarchism, is a synthesis of the two.
  Fascism promises the red meat of social action that populists crave, while cultivating patronage with the aristocracy by deflecting criticism onto minorities. It is a "higher" form of political triangulation. Sort of the methamphetamine of politics, in so far as it juices the body politic to an enthusiastic euphoria of communal action that inevitably leads to self-destruction.
  It is, in effect, all the worst aspects of socialism compounded upon itself. Rather than calling it "National Socialism" I would simply refer to it as "Socialism Done Badly".
  
  Yes, the word Fascism originates from Italy, but that is the correct word to use.
- Of course it's a .world account stepping up to defend Nazis.
  
  Lmao, where did I defend anyone? All I said that they should be called fascists, which is the correct word
- It's all the same shit.

Dumb and reductionist. There are actual nazis, but people seem to have forgotten what fascism and nazis actually are, so yes they do call anyone a nazi.
This only serves to water down the meaning of calling someone a nazi. And then when the real nazis show up, calling them out will have no impact.
Now, feel free to call me a nazi.
- This is why you call them all Nazis.
  This isn't my story, but it's been posted dozens of times if you want to look it up.
  Guy is in his local pub. Two new guys come in. They don't seem to be offensive, but the bartender screams at them to get the fuck out.
  The bartender explains that those two are part of the local Nazi clique. How the Nazis work is to have two or three guys come to a place and become regulars. After a couple of weeks, they bring in four or five more guys. Then those guys bring in their buddies, and all of a sudden the regulars don't want to come in any more and, without noticing, it's now a Nazi bar.
  
  It's neat how your rebuttal was to something entirely different from what you were responding to.
  It's not that your comment wasn't valuable in and of itself. But strictly as a rebuttal to "people go overboard by calling people who make them sad a Nazi", the idea that we should correctly call out actual blatant low-instance Nazi behaviour as Nazi behaviour isn't a rebuttal so much as it is a speech. This is question-ducking like I haven't seen outside of politics.
- Holy shit! It worked!
  Now go on for a couple paragraphs about “nuance,” and how “life isn’t always black & white.”
- Well that was easy.
- No true Scotsman Fallacy
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
- I was thinking of migrating to .world when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is ("fire removedant") but now I'm glad I didn't.
  Edit: oops, right, this is midwest.social. Anyway, I have seen .world ban for the same normie takes but it was only a suspension
  
  And of course he defended musks salute, is a transphobe and does not know what genocide is.
  https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/19124820/12601741
  Hhhmmm… Not very genocide of people aren’t being rounded up and executed, and not very silent if there’s news articles talking about it.
  Sensationalist crap.
  
  when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is
  The word filter is a blunt instrument applied to a gnarly problem. I still see trolls try to slide malformed vocabulary and coded phrasing to harass .ml users and vex the mods. But how long do you really expect mods/admins to work on the problem of "the perfect phrasing filter" when the root problem is inevitably the assholes who come to spam the chat with hate?
  Just use fire extinguisher or fire suppressant. It's not like the filter throws the entire post in the trash.
  
  how annoying the .ml profanity filter is (“fire removedant”
  Lol, did you know, that aircrafts sometimes call out "Retard"?
  https://youtu.be/vmbzKsqKQoI?t=34
  It means pull back on the throttle, not the um... ableist slur.
  😉
  
  I was thinking of migrating to .world when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is ("fire removedant") but now I'm glad I didn't.
  (Edit: oops this was midwest.social - idk if .world ban as much for this)
  
  That's based as shit, stay on .ml if you've got a beef with it lol
- I agree with you but apparently I said it more elegantly and got 33 upvotes instead of 76 downvotes. I guess what you're not mentioning is that the real neo-nazis really are here this time.