Is Elon Musk Staging a Coup? Billionaire Seizes Control at Treasury Dept.

It's a fascist coup.
They took control of the judiciary some time ago, they recently seized the executive and now they're destroying any remaining institutional power that can oppose them.
The current regime is not legitimate.
- The current technically still is, but the regime they are transforming into won't be anymore legitimate.
  
  With all the voters suppression tactics, gerrymandering in the house, and all the ballots they had discarded, it's not legitimate.
  
  It's not legitimate because most of the stuff they are doing is plain out-and-out illegal. But like they (Don Jr., etc) said before the election, they were going to go ahead and do it anyway and dare anyone including SCOTUS to try and stop them. It's going to come down to our military to choose a side.
  
  Except the current "president" isn't constitutionally eligible to hold the office after inciting insurrection, so no, it really isn't legitimate even now
  
  "Technically" is irrelevant. Functionally it's compromised.
- https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

Fully understand what is happening here in America. The far right has destroyed the rule of law and are just acting to destroy our government. Don’t let this happen to your country. Don’t let Elon Musk any where near your elections or near your country.
- Further, look and see what courting the rich and meritocracy has bought. This is the natural and probable consequences of decades and decades of austerity, privatization, and supply side economics. They're telling you the same lies they told us, and telling you it will be different for you. It won't be.
- Don’t let Elon Musk any where near your elections or near your country.
  A little late.
- Russians and fossil fuel corporations are cheering
- Too late. He tweeted "Cześć" (or Hello). How scared should I be?

It's not a coup if it's not against the Leadership of a sovereign nation
What it is, is a Constitutional Crisis led by the Executive Branch (Trump, and his minion Musk with Trumps permission and direction) disregarding Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution is known as the "taxing and spending clause." Clause 2 is known as the "borrowing clause.", against the Legislative Branch (Congress), which will ultimately be decided by the Judicial Branch (The Supreme Court)
The very bad news is all 3 Branches of US Government are squarely in control of Republicans, since the last election in November, who are blindly supporting Trump
- It still could be a coup inside the coup, where Musk takes control of so much of the administration that he can set the stage for a final coup to take down Trump and impose himself.
  
  More than likely he’d just end up a puppet president. Musk wouldn’t need to sit in the seat if Trump did his bidding.
- It's also a breach of the oath taken to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. But an oath is only as good as the intent of the maker.
  
  Trump didn’t put his hand on the bible so the oath doesn’t count!
  
  You can help strengthen an oat if you introduce a third party that punishes people who do not follow the oat. You see that with doctors, accountants and other protected jobs all across the globe.
- It's not a coup if it's not against the Leadership of a sovereign nation
  I don't think that's a prerequisite. We talk of military coups all the time and most of them are thoroughly domestic affaires.
  That doesn't detract from the rest of what you said however.
  
  you're confusing the words sovereign and domestic in a way I don't understand. again, a coup is the illegal taking and transferring of power from the leader of a sovereign nation to someone or a group of someone's not duly empowered to assume that role. that's not what's transpiring currently. but we sure as shit are in the middle of a constitutional crisis between the executive branch and the legislative branch.
  
  Trump cannot commit a coup, because he is already the head of state. Military coups occur when military generals step in to illegally claim the abilities of the head of state (or government) from someone else who had them legally.
- It's a self-coup, so people are correct in calling it a coup. It's still in progress, so it's not clear how much power the white house will end up usurping, but with what they've done so far, it's imo already enough to call it a coup.
  From Wikipedia: A self-coup or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a political leader, having come to power through legal means, stays in power through illegal means through the actions of themselves and/or their supporters. The leader may dissolve or render powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assume extraordinary powers. Other measures may include annulling the nation's constitution, suspending civil courts, and having the head of government assume dictatorial powers.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
  The wiki article also contains a long list of other historical self coups. Germany in 1933 is the most famous example.
- I agree with you but am also mentally leaving room to swap who is whose minion, because that is not entirely clear to me at this point.
  
  I saw this video linked earlier and thought it was an interesting tale. As of recent events it coincides with many things. (Not saying the conclusions are correct, just an entertaining take.
  https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

Step 1: Remove all the inspector generals
Step 2: Gain access to the U.S. treasury payment system
Step 3: Lock out all the rest of the treasury staff
Step 4: Impose a 25% Tarriff on your largest trading partners
Step 5: Profit!
Step 6: Realize Trump backed down on the Mexican Tarriffs because the president of Mexico called and stroked Trump's ego.
- inspector generals
  I don't want to be that guy, but the plural is "inspectors general".
  
  I say always be that guy. You have the heart to speak up and help others to learn and grow - for example I was questioning which it was, but you confirmed for me that it is indeed inspectors general.
  
  Now I'll say it like that guy in Futurama. Inspectorses generals
- I don't think she stroked his ego, I think she played hardball and showed him how he was gonna get hurt a lot more than they were, then he backed off (saving face by saying she would send troops to the border). That and the fact that women intimidate the hell out of Trump. He knows how to bully men but women get him all discombobulated.
  
  women get him all discombobulated.
  Until he grabs em by the pussy
- Step 6 is how the cabinet members got their jobs and why all the TechBros gave him a million each.
- Canada now as well. Trump is such a joke.
- Wait what happened with the Mexican tariffs ?
  
  Canada and Mexico both cracked today

it's only a coup if it comes from the Coup d'Etat region of France, otherwise it's just a sparkling government takeover.
- Which is why the US has never actually staged a coup in a foreign country. Not many people know that

Nah, everybody relax. Go to work, come home to your 2.3 kids. Everything is normal. President Musk is doing everything he can to take care of the immigrant and LGBTQ problem, the only problems the USA has. Men could be playing womens sports, guys. I mean it. Massive fucking problem.
- He’s just making weird grunting noises, kinda sounds like an orangutan
- █████ ██ █ ████ Everything ███ █████ is ████ ██ ████ fine ████ ███ █ █████ love. █████ █████ ███ your ████ ████ government
- If I ever come home to 2.3 kids I'm gonna be so mad. Where is the 0.7 kids I'm missing?!

2A thumpers defend school shootings as required to defend against tyrants. Tyrants literally in our buildings and giving nazi salutes? Nothing.
- Americans currently rereading the 2nd amendment: "Damn, if we could only use them outside of schools, things would be fixed quickly"
  
  It's weird that Jefferson literally demanded helpless children be shot in schools like that but hey that's what the Constitution says so I guess we gotta let em do it.
  WHAT DO YOU MEAN SOMEONE TOOK A KNEE AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM??!!???

Musk is who we deserve. The country that treats money as speech and corporations as people and bribery as political action has the worlds richest man controlling it. Finally, the world is making some fucking sense.

The coup has already happened.

Staging? It already happened
- they won the election. now they are dismantling the levers of government. the goal is to weaken all other national institutions until eventually they can just ignore Congress or Supreme Court
- Exactly. He has every American's personal details and total control of the nation's finances. He really doesn't need anything else.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
- Although no one was prosecuted
  Why the FUCK do we keep letting people get away with this shit??
  
  I believe the theory is that Roosevelt sat down with the Business Plot crew in secret and gave them the option of a) they convince their business pals not to oppose the New Deal too much or b) they hang. Obviously they picked option a.
- Just business as usual :P
- This is the kinda shit that needs to be taught to everyone in US history class.

Musk is saying that they aren't going to pay US contractors for up to a month.
There is no question.
- That... Includes actual mercenaries, no?
  
  There will be exceptions. The exceptions will be anything Musk views as a threat to himself.
  
  Yes, thousands of often highly specialized, experienced mercenaries.

Funny to think pedo-don spent 8 years pretending Obama couldn't be prez because he was born in Africa, just the give the control of the country to an unlected incompetent bro who was actually born in Africa.

Is this how the Russians felt when Rasputin was to influencing the Tsar?
- I think we should test if Musk is as durable as Rasputin.
  
  The song about it won't be as catchy though.
  
  Or as durable as the UHC CEO

Yes.
Our last hope it seems:
- Oh the irony
  
  The hammer lady was absent.
  
  The only irony I see is the people seeing it as the Apple message and not the message in the Apple ad.
  The ad seems to have worked even on the unsuspecting.
- Is Apple™️? I really hope not.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(advertisement)

If you were still under the impression that conservatives were patriots that gave a flying fuck about the Constitution, now you have your definitive answer.

Are there no drug tests for political advisors or something?
I'd have expected this for a position with much power - just like in the military.
Or am I that far off here from reality?
- Musk has no clearance, wasn't voted in, is uncredentialed, and unqualified.
  The fact that the government is just sitting back and allowing this is disgusting.
  All of it to line their pockets with what will be akin to monopoly money once they destroy the country.
  
  government is just sitting back
  They fired a bunch of FBI and DoJ, so if they're sitting back it's because they're unemployed.
  
  That's exactly what I don't understand
  There are safe guards for exactly that shit in law (at least I think/hope so), but seemingly no one has the guts to step up
  But I have to admit, that I don't know the American laws at all, and with that don't know what their actual options are
  
  They're why they're so gung ho about crypto. They want to make everyone's money worthless while they hoard all the gold themselves.
  
  All of it to line their pockets with what will be akin to monopoly money once they destroy the country.
  People that rich have reserves in other currencies and precious metals. They don't really give a shit if the US dollar crashes.
- Musk doesn't hold any official position.
  
  So, how can he even do all that shit and the organisations don't just tell him to go choke on a dick?
- Must be nice to have no idea what's been going on.
  
  Because I asked about a detail of how a foreign country runs their government?
  Sadly I do get all the shit news. I mostly wonder how this is even possible to happen in a normal state with functioning jurisdiction

Hey, hey. Elon Musk purchased the US fair and square, we've known that for like 3 months now, no need to go acting all surprised!
- The Incorporated States of America?

if you think trump is bad, just wait to be ruled directly by those fuckers instead of via proxy.
- Who's to say we're not already. Just look at how much golfing Trump has already been up to! I bet he ends up spending more time in Florida than in DC.
  
  His mind is also mush. He's signing whatever he gets handed to and rambles some incoherent soundbites he got told beforehand when in front of the cameras.
  
  yeah, but that still has the limitation of having to at least pretend. I dread to think what will happen when they stop caring about that and just directly take control.

Is it a coup if Trump and Republicans have given him permission and letting him do what he wants?
- Yup, there is no legal due process and his team is forcibly taking control of federal organizations. This is an incredibly historical moment we are witnessing. Feast your eyes. While it often gets compared to Rome, United States for all its might will only have been a blip in the historical time frame. Supremacy not even lasting a century. It will barely be a footnote a thousand years from now. Or... Elon and Trumps gambit pays off and successfully annexes Mexico and Canada while turning the US into a true empire that prospers for another century, but not sure if I see that happening. You can only fail upwards so far.
  
  Might have been true during the Roman era or even during the 1930s but in the age of mass communication, a generally informed or disinformed population (depending on how you want to see it), multi national corporations who really don't care about nations and all mixed in with nuclear weapons ... things will be much different. Whether or not that difference will be better or worse is anyone's guess. But it will be something completely different.
  
  But Trump is calling him a "special government employee". So I guess he's also getting paid to fuck over America. Yeah, he's not elected, but Trump is overstepping his boundaries of power to do all this, but Republicans aren't doing anything to stop him. So Trump is just going to keep pushing those boundaries and if Congress doesn't do anything, he'll just claim more and more power.
- Yes. Since he wasn't elected and the actions he is taking require actual laws to pass to occur legally
  
  I don't think that's a coup though?
  Like a coup is a specific thing. What's happening might be fucked up, and unlawful, but not necessarily a coup.
- Does it have to be violent to be a coup?
  If propaganda, conspiracy, and manipulation are also valid tools of a coup, this probably qualifies.
  
  There have been many bloodless coups.

It seems like they want to turn the US into kleptocratic empire ruled by organised crime.

The chancellor is taking power lol

It's time that people who believe in principles of democracy should come together and create their own counter project 2025 plan. A long term strategic document, with action plans to not only restore but strengthen democracy in US

One is fascist narcissistic billionaire and other is felon
- This reboot of The Odd Couple is really weird.

Bro is already executing, he is beyond staging. Goes to show that knowledge isn't power in capitalism; you can be as retarded as they come and still fry shit on a national level; as long as you have the capital funds for it.

Unelected weirdo walks into government facilities and does what he wants.

Why are people surprised with President Musk presidenting with his advisor Donald?
- President Musk and first lady Donny.

Yes.

Staging? He is already inside.

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When does the USA invade?

It's not a coup. It's an election. This is the completely predictable and continuous result of a state founded by slavemasters and run by white supremacy.

More Cybertrucks sold than all other EV trucks combined. Not a Tesla fan. Also not a fan of FUD. https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24247985/tesla-cybertruck-july-2024-sales-deliveries-match-all-ev-trucks
- Who the fuck asked
- I think your comment has appeared in the wrong the wrong musk thread. This one is about takeover of us treasury.
  I think cyberducks is here: https://lemmy.world/post/25080532
  
  Yes, I must have misclicked. Apologies. Thank you.
- Yeah, and taylor swift is one of the best selling artists of all time. Almost selling as much the beatles or queen.
  What's your point?
- There are not that many e-trucks... Only Americans buy these, and they proved that the majority is OK wit supporting Nazis...
- This would have made sense, I suppose, had you posted it on the article about cybertruck sales slowing, but it just seems nonsequitur here.
- I didn't know bots could misclick.
- Well that definitely proves that ~~President~~ Musk hasn't taken over the U.S. government for his own whims.
- My apologies guys - not a bot, near as I know. And yes, I swear I clicked the "Cybertruck sales slump" Thread. My mistake. I will leave this here as a record of my shame.

- In case anyone was still wondering how people just stood by when Hitler took over Germany
  
  That isn’t just standing by, that advocates for opposition to leave as the right answer to their concerns.
  To emigrate from a country that openly hates immigrants.
  To grow the majority.
  
  !remindme in 4 years when a genocide does not take place.
  I wish you had the capacity to understand how juvenile these types of comments are.
- News organizations and politicians should think really carefully about publishing stories that make it seem like the United States is failed democracy.
  Yes
  Do you really believe that all it takes is one president and an aligned congress to completely destroy the country?
  Yes
  If so, the smart move would be applying for citizenship in a country that isn’t a failed democracy, and getting the fuck out.
  I'm not giving up without a fight first.
  
  How are you fighting?
- If so, the smart move would be applying for citizenship in a country that isn’t a failed democracy, and getting the fuck out. Not posting sensationalist news articles and claiming fascist nazis are one step from putting us up against the wall. It kind of betrays your point.
  What an absurd take!
  "Clearly you don't ACTUALLY believe something bad is happening, because you're spreading the word about it instead of quietly preparing your escape"
  
  Shouldn't the fascist Nazis be knocking on your door, OP's door, and the publishers of Democracy Now! door and putting them in a political torture camp?
  Or are we just being hyperbolic when we say it's a nazi coup?
- You mean one executive branch, one legislative branch and one judicative branch (supreme court, which you forgot)?
  So like all the branches, that are supposed to check and balance each other? Good one mate
  
  Do you think if Trump told the military to jail democrats that they would do it?
- applying for citizenship in a country that isn't a failed democracy
  Which country is that, exactly? What are their immigration requirements?
- If so, the smart move would be applying for citizenship in a country that isn't a failed democracy, and getting the fuck out
  Me setting up a bug out bag while I arrange moving to another country
- We are an empire that, when looking at history, is in it's twilight years
- Lol wut. When was the US ever a democracy?