Democrats grapple with their own message in Trump 2.0
Democrats grapple with their own message in Trump 2.0
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The democrats have an elitism problem, their party doesn't appeal to the average American even though their policies do. The candidates they run tend to appeal more to college educated persons but far less to those who don't hold post-secondary degrees. Their policies also often times don't do enough to actually help the average person and lack universality which is desperately needed as the economy continues to get worse and every day life continues to get harder. They refuse to acknowledge this and continue to lose as a result.
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All the democratic policies always came with means testing. I always supported all their stuff but it rarely helped me or people I know because of the means testing.
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The democrats have an elitism problem, their party doesn’t appeal to the average American even though their policies do. The candidates they run tend to appeal more to college educated persons but far less to those who don’t hold post-secondary degrees.
People love simple answers to problems. Unfortunately, the problems we're facing are incredibly complex and don't have simple realistic answers. Simply looking solutions have complicated consequences that aren't immediately obvious. The average American (that doesn't hold post-secondary education) typically doesn't understand this. So when a problem is explained and a solution that addresses it is presented, it usually leaves them confused.
Their policies also often times don’t do enough to actually help the average person
...not enough help, I agree.
and lack universality which is desperately needed as the economy continues to get worse and every day life continues to get harder.
You lost on me on this one. Universality? As in a living minimum wage that would benefit not only those struggling on the poverty line, but also help billionaires?
They refuse to acknowledge this and continue to lose as a result.
This is where I more strongly disagree. This goes back to my first point.
We're facing very complex problems that don't have simple answers. However, the other side is providing simple to understand solutions. The problem is those simple solutions are horrendous, and aren't actually solutions. Example:
- Americans are struggling with low wages. The other side says its because of foreigners and moves to arrest and deport them. Simple right? Except you and I both know the low wages has nothing to do with immigrants, and instead on corporate America and captured politicians keeping wages low while productivity continues to rise.
If the other side simply gives simple "common sense" solutions that a typical American understands (even if its wrong), then that will be appealing to them instead of a realistic complex solution which promises far fewer benefits. What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?
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What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?
Actually do something. The implementations of the right solutions are complex, but the solutions themselves are pretty simple to understand. Tax the wealthy invest in public services and infrastructure pass election reform fucking kill the filibuster already there are mountains of things that need to be done and democrats don't care enough to do most of it. Republican lies only work as much as they do because they only need to sound better than the paper-thin Democrat excuse of "we're trying but it's complicated" when most people aren't seeing results because the Democrats aren't trying. If the DNC really wanted to improve things, they'd listen to people like Bernie and AOC who are calling for real change.
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We're facing very complex problems that don't have simple answers. However, the other side is providing simple to understand solutions. The problem is those simple solutions are horrendous, and aren't actually solutions. Example:
- Americans are struggling with low wages. The other side says its because of foreigners and moves to arrest and deport them. Simple right? Except you and I both know the low wages has nothing to do with immigrants, and instead on corporate America and captured politicians keeping wages low while productivity continues to rise.
If the other side simply gives simple "common sense" solutions that a typical American understands (even if its wrong), then that will be appealing to them instead of a realistic complex solution which promises far fewer benefits. What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?
Where in your example is the Democratic solution to this same problem? It seems like you're just arguing that people are too dumb to understand that Democrats always do what's best for them while here (and in your follow up reply below) state that the problems we face are essentially too complicated to fix so we shouldn't hold it against Democrats for not having solutions.
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Your post reminded me of the saying (paraphrasing from memory) "to every complicated problem there is an answer that is easy, simple, and wrong."
Everyone bemoans government inefficiency and slowness without understanding that "that's the point". Legislation in a democracy is hard and compromise is necessary. The slowness is a feature not a bug. Yes it means some good things will be delayed, or not implemented as well as some may like, but a lot of bad shit is avoided as well.
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The opposition party... we're cooked.
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private Senate Democratic luncheon
And that pretty neatly sums up the whole problem right there.
All they can think to do us sit around and talk to each other, alternately lamenting the fact that the hicks in flyover country can't seem to understand that they know what's best for them and wondering what's wrong with their "messaging "
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All they can think to do
They're not that stupid.
They know exactly what voters want to hear and what they want politicians to do.
The issue is that is often the direct opposite of what their donors tell them to do. If they wanted to reach out, they'd hand AOC a megaphone or let Bernie talk about policy.
They're focused on "messaging" because that's what they have control over still. They can't change their votes or support of policies, because the oligarchs decide that for Dem leadership just like they do Republican.
A letter by their name doesn't make them your friend just because the other letter would make them your enemy. We need to have higher standards than just that letter, otherwise the ones with the most donations will keep winning primaries, and keep being the only other option.
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While being totally oblivious to the fact that the right now owns all media. Nothing the Democrats do or say is ever going viral. They will never be heard about in a positive way ever again. Game over man.
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Democrats and their voters openly talk shit to people who need help from their policies the most, and then wonder why Trump lying to them about how he wants to help them (read: help himself and whoever is paying him) wins elections.
When the East Palestine derailment happened, people were saying that since Ohio was red in the 2020 election, everyone in the city deserved it.
The children and teens too young to vote? The blue voters who got gerrymandered? The felons that can't vote? Fuck em! The minority of Republicans got a win, so burn the entire state to the ground!
It's just amazing how they will claim they want to help people, and then if you live in a line drawn in the sand 200 years ago they want you dead, ignoring however you personally wanted their aid and policies.
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Democrats. Worthless when in power. Worthless when in the opposition role.
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Its just amazing to see that they're actually struggling with this...
Want to get elected?
Go for free healthcare, free education for all, legalize weed everywhere, reform the police system top to bottom, put various new laws in place that will ensure that mobster dictator wannabes will never ever be able to get in power again, give people actual workers rights and real vacation days like in Europe, completely abolish slavery (including in the prisons).
Reform prisons top to bottom, reform schools to rid the system of religion completely and to ensure that all schools, public or private, rich or poor, will have the same standards. Fund government independent foundations that can give grants to companies to invest in renewable energy, fund government independent foundations that will fund journalists and news organizations, only if their reporting will be 100% neutral.
Put restrictions to companies in how large they can become to avoid monopolies or near monopolies as current travel, internet, and grocery stores are. Push public transportation and cyclable and walkable cities so that everyone, car or no car, can go wherever they need to, safely. Reorganize the pharmaceutical industry top to bottom to weed out the abuse. Make it that top level executives from companies can be held criminally (as on go to jail) liable if and when they break the law.
Put laws in place to push housing construction as needed to guarantee that everyone can live comfortably.
I can go on but that is a good start.
How to find all this? Easy. lower investment into the US army by 30%, raise taxes on the rich. Put a top in place on both monthly income and total net worth. Once your monthly income crosses a line, all the surplus will be 100% taxes. Samen goes for total wealth. No one should be worth a billion dollars. No one should be worth 100 million dollars. Put a cap at, I dunno, 10 million dollars. Anything above that? Taxes. Then you'll have a shit tonne of extra money available that can be used for all of that and to pay off the national debt in no time.
THAT will get you votes, but you'll never do even a tiny fraction of that because fuck those dirty people at the bottom that you don't want to have to deal with.
I'm tired
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The Neolibs in control of the party will burn the country down befor losing power or telling their rich donors that they have to make some concessions
They haven't allowed a primary election since 2016 where they almost lost control of the party to leftists.
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They don't want to win they just want to bitch and moan and beg for donos like a fucking twitch streamer
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